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True, but what we know about Ragnos is that he is "The best of the best." What we know about Freedon is that he took over a planet, we don't know exact conditions and such.
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Sidious kind of beat Luke, and Luke became uber, it's all gut feelings backed up by occasional facts as far as Freedon goes. I can't say one is the clear victor, I'm sorry.
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Cool, and that is PT Sidious. DE is way better. How good is Nadd in saber to saber skills or force powers? Is he offensive, defensive, what? Let's not just jump to the conclusion that he could win.
-We know that Sadow caused a star to go supernova (which is comparable to DN Luke's ability to manipulate blackholes.)
-Freedon Nad learned from Sadow, so he is far from inept with Sith alchemy.
-Considering what Nad could do in his relatively weak spirit form (toss around Vodo, trigger an avalanche) his actual form would be far more devastating.
-He conquered Onderon, although by what means, is inconclusive. If it was single handedly, with a short lightsaber and sith magic, then that puts this feat a little higher up.
-A Mandalorian in KOTOR 2 said that Freedon Nadd was far more terrible than Revan or Malak. We cannot be sure of the credibility of this statement.
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-DE Sidious did create a gargantuan force storm. At first we believed the emperor's force lightning was unblockable, because Luke and Vader were both pwned by it. However later, we see Mace and Yoda block it with ease. Suddenly our assumptions that lightning was unstoppable changed. The same could happen with force storm. Luke and Leia blocked the technique. We can safely conclude that Nadd was stronger than either of them (since its only DE)
-We know that Sadow caused a star to go supernova (which is comparable to DN Luke's ability to manipulate blackholes.)
Sadow used a ship, Luke used Force TK with no alchemy/dark magic. Sadow is more powerful though, mostly for his Massassi trick and that Luke's black hole was a small, artificial one.
-Considering what Nad could do in his relatively weak spirit form (toss around Vodo, trigger an avalanche) his actual form would be far more devastating.
I suppose, but he was not a Sith spirit for very long. 300 years, right?
-A Mandalorian in KOTOR 2 said that Freedon Nadd was far more terrible than Revan or Malak. We cannot be sure of the credibility of this statement.
Both of 'em are far more terrible than Revan or Malak.
-DE Sidious did create a gargantuan force storm. At first we believed the emperor's force lightning was unblockable, because Luke and Vader were both pwned by it. However later, we see Mace and Yoda block it with ease. Suddenly our assumptions that lightning was unstoppable changed. The same could happen with force storm. Luke and Leia blocked the technique. We can safely conclude that Nadd was stronger than either of them (since its only DE)
Luke and Leia and Jaina blocked it with a force spell that combined all three of their Force potential... He was against 3x full potential Skywalkers... God knows how deadly that is.
For the last time: Aleema used Sadow's ship to make 10 stars go supernova. Sadow used an entirely different technique. Aleema "ripped the cores" from the stars, by the looks of it, Sadow fired something resembling sith lightning into the star and made it go supernova.
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It mentioned the Sidious was caught off guard, and that he destroyed himself. Force Illumination is not conclusive.
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We know Nadd was extremely powerful during his life and I'd put him on par with Kun, certainly not above him since we know very little of him as a living human. Either way he is above DE Sidious.
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Why do you think he would win? It's safe to say he was powerful, but how powerful? There is nothing to say that he could beat DE Sidious, unless you could provide some evidence, or, at least, a strong argument based on fact. I'm not saying that DE Sidious would necessarily win, I'm saying we don't know enough about Freedon to assume that he could beat DE Sidious, and until then, I'm saying Sidious because he has shown us a powerful mastery of the force (force storm and such).
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Right but I'm going to say that Nadd as a spirit alone was powerful enough, Nadd seduced Kun to the dark side, Nadd force pushed Vodo as a spirit, Nadd had Sadow's teachings which already in my book would give him more knowledge of ancient Sith techniques, and make him more powerful than Sidious. Although if I'm correct, Sidious learned the force storm on Korriban.
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Right but I'm going to say that Nadd as a spirit alone was powerful enough, Nadd seduced Kun to the dark side, Nadd force pushed Vodo as a spirit, Nadd had Sadow's teachings which already in my book would give him more knowledge of ancient Sith techniques, and make him more powerful than Sidious. Although if I'm correct, Sidious learned the force storm on Korriban.
I think having Sadow's knowledge would be a enough to put him above Sids for now, assuming he tries to destroy Palpy before he sets off a Force Storm.
But I'm not sure he learned the Force Storm on Korriban... he visits there in Empire's End, but he doesnt learn anything from Ragnos/Sadow/Kressh/Simus whoever is there.
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