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vaders speed

is it far to judge vader is slow just because he is slow in the movies? well there are many books in EU to prove that he is fast

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He is far slower than he was in the PT. Is it generally slow, and the comic and EU books always have an ability of overpowering...

That's not to say he's sluggish. He's just slow by Jedi reflex standards.


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yea but EU vader is the same as OT vader, its how we saw it in the movies because at that time it was slow, so is luke slow in the EU? no

well yea hes slower than most jedi, but still he is fast, thats why he "customises" his form V with form III and form IV

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I HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE SAY VADER IS ONLY 1/8 OR SOMETHING OF HIS ORIGINAL SPEED, BECAUSE HE IS NOT. LOOK:


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He fights Maul, who is extremely agile.


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That;s not even canon inside the EU!

Canonical fact is, Vader is slow; his injuries have made hoim so. Any EU source that makes out otherwise is incorrect.


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so is luke slow canonically? then what about crimson empire? vader was fast, RODV proved that even with his injuries he was fast, not as fast as his predecessor anakin

if he is so slow then how did he carve through an army of wookies, each which could rip him apart, even in vader the ultimate guide, there was a pic of him fighting some dude using jar kai style, if he is really slow he would have died, rodv even mentioned that he fought 2 on 1 match with jedi knights

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so is luke slow canonically? then what about crimson empire? vader was fast, RODV proved that even with his injuries he was fast, not as fast as his predecessor anakin

if he is so slow then how did he carve through an army of wookies, each which could rip him apart, even in vader the ultimate guide, there was a pic of him fighting some dude using jar kai style, if he is really slow he would have died, rodv even mentioned that he fought 2 on 1 match with jedi knights


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Luke is slow because he is only half-trained by ROTJ, really...in comparison to the PT Jedi.

Vader doesn't need to be super fast to be powerful and skilled, you know. They are different things.


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well lucas already said that he made the videos slow unintentionally

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Uh, since when?


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TPM dvd2?, the fights made 30 years ago? the EU to help vaders speed? there you go, i am getting sick and tired of people saying vader is slow, how is he suppose to activate the shien form if he is really that slow, prove it to me, this is unfair towards vader, people judge him in the movies, and RODV PROVED he was fast

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Luke, Vader, Obi-Wan, all slow. Vader: the suit. Obi-Wan: age. Luke: not enough training. None of them can do the fancy leaps and stuff, with the exception of Obi-Wan who may have learned how to use the Force to overcome age and injuries for a short time.


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and? what about the EU? and the guide book called vader: the ultimate guide? which shows vader taking on a jedi who is using jar kai? if he was really that slow he would have died, and luke not enough training? hell luke mirrored vaders form V agaisnt him, and people want to call it sloppish because of the way the movie was made?

if the OT was made today the fights would have been as good as ROTS

o and age?? yoda was 900 years old, palpatine is like wtf 60-70 years old and he is still fast, like the OT fans keep saying, it was the way the movie was made, the EU HELPS vader, vader vs dark women, RODV PROVED vader was fast, clone wars vol 9 even proved vader killing 3 jedi masters in one swift stroke to each of them, in RODV vader carves through an army of wookies

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and? what about the EU? and the guide book called vader: the ultimate guide? which shows vader taking on a jedi who is using jar kai? if he was really that slow he would have died, and luke not enough training? hell luke mirrored vaders form V agaisnt him, and people want to call it sloppish because of the way the movie was made?

if the OT was made today the fights would have been as good as ROTS

o and age?? yoda was 900 years old, palpatine is like wtf 60-70 years old and he is still fast, like the OT fans keep saying, it was the way the movie was made, the EU HELPS vader, vader vs dark women, RODV PROVED vader was fast, clone wars vol 9 even proved vader killing 3 jedi masters in one swift stroke to each of them, in RODV vader carves through an army of wookies


Just because he slow doesn't mean that he can't beat a fast person. This thread is about his speed.

Luke is a natural, just like his father. With very little training, he managed to beat Vader, who overcame multiple well trained Jedi simultaneously

Yoda, Palpatine, and Dooku all used the Force to give them power over old age.

When did Clone Wars Vol. 9 come out? I really want to get it


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vol 9 the 1 with vader on the cover page came out a while ago.

are you sure? dooku was 80 yrs old and still he is fast, well maybe they used the force to speed them up because they are jedi and sith, but honestly in the EU vader is fast, esp crimson empires flash back, when he fought with a double bladed vibro sword

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vol 9 the 1 with vader on the cover page came out a while ago.

are you sure? dooku was 80 yrs old and still he is fast, well maybe they used the force to speed them up because they are jedi and sith, but honestly in the EU vader is fast, esp crimson empires flash back, when he fought with a double bladed vibro sword


Oh. How many months ago? I'm gonna have to go to Borders or Barnes and Nobles and track it down!!!

Yes, but that was EU. I think we're talking about the movies. Unless I didn't read other people's posts. Which usually ticks people off pretty badly.


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not so sure, but you could just goto a comic shop.

i think it would be fair to judge vader by the things he did in the EU. alot of people in the real world underrate him and underestiate him, sidious was slower than yoda and yet it was a draw, the same is with anakin and vader

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not so sure, but you could just goto a comic shop.

i think it would be fair to judge vader by the things he did in the EU. alot of people in the real world underrate him and underestiate him, sidious was slower than yoda and yet it was a draw, the same is with anakin and vader


Meh, they might be all sold out no expression

Yeah, but EU isn't canon no expression


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I like the Dark Lord book explanations as to why he is slowed down. Every detail about his suit makes perfect sense after considering it, in contrast to the comics that have him doing all sorts of acrobatics that would be impossible in his suit. He needs the Force to pretty much walk properly because the mech legs are shit, he cant raise is arms high thereby restricting his fighting techniques, and his armor is overweighted. He's slow as hell.

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That's partly when he began. He was getting used to the suit. When he fought Roan Shryne, he knew how to move about in his suit better.


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