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bigsef2
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Location: United States
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obi-wan's master
why did ben tell luke in ESB that yoda trained him when we know from TPM that qui-gon was his master? has GL ever explained that?
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Nov 20th, 2001 09:16 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Yes.
Yoda trains ALL Jedi from child until they 'graduate' to Padawan. Then they are assigned a senior Jedi to take them out into the Galaxy to learn until they are ready to be a Knight.
So Yoda was once Obi-Wan's Master and instructor, and then Qui-Gon took over.
Trick is, Anakin NEVER had Yoda's basic training, so presumably Obi-Wan tried to give it to him, hence his comment in ROTJ about being wrong about being able to do as good a job.
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Nov 20th, 2001 09:18 PM |
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yerssot
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you beat me to it Ush 
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Nov 20th, 2001 09:26 PM |
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bigsef2
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Location: United States
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That makes good sense. I don't question it, but what is the source? Is it cannon, or just something in a book or something? Do you think Lucas will ever make that clear in EPII or III? I mean, it does APPEAR to be a big discrepancy.
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Nov 20th, 2001 09:33 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Yeah, it's canon, GL talked about it.
Obi-Wan's comment at the start of TPM about Yoda having 'taught' him to be mindful of the future was meant to prevent any discrepancy, by revealing that Yoda was once his Master.
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Nov 20th, 2001 09:37 PM |
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Venom
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Registered: Nov 2001
Location: Germany
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Yoda trains first
Nothing to add, just: THINK (and watch the movies a second time) before asking, sef!
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Nov 27th, 2001 11:54 AM |
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finti
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He must be allowed to ask.
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Nov 27th, 2001 12:32 PM |
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Gundark
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Ush is so good at explaining these things. (no graemlin)
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Nov 27th, 2001 02:48 PM |
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yoda900
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Location: United States
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Ben's master/trainer etc....
Well, I believe the officail line OB1 said in ESB was this : "Luke, you must go to the Dagobah system, there you will find yoda, the jedi master who taught me"
also in ROTJ "your father was a good man, when I first knew him, he was already a great pilot, but I was amazed at how strong the force was with him, I took it upon myself to train him, I thought I could instruct him as well as Yoda, I was wrong"
Therefore, there is no discrepency as far as I can tell. Although I am not sure why Yoda would have allowed this, but who knows.
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Nov 30th, 2001 02:56 AM |
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ToMacco
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Registered: Sep 2001
Location: A bar in Minnesota
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I think you're right Y900, it is a hazy area that Lucas should clear up in the next two films. I'm sure he will.
The son of a ***** has an explination for everything.
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Nov 30th, 2001 04:48 AM |
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Julie
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Registered: Aug 2001
Location: New Jersey
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That could be considered Star Wars blasphemy.....just kiddin'
Obi wan probably never mentioned Qui gon b/c
1) Gui Gon didn't exist then
2) Gui Gon's death was rough for Obi Wan
3) Obi Wan saw it from a certain point of view
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Dec 2nd, 2001 03:51 AM |
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bigsef2
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Registered: Nov 2001
Location: United States
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as ushgarak said earlier. yoda trained anakin, as he does all young jedi. if you notice qui-gons role was to teach anakin the practical applications of the things yoda had already taught him. yoda taught obiwan the force. qui-gon took him on as a padawan and groomed him to be a full grown knight.
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Dec 2nd, 2001 05:49 AM |
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yerssot
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what you receive after Yoda is just field-experience...
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Dec 2nd, 2001 01:31 PM |
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Julie
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Registered: Aug 2001
Location: New Jersey
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Yoda must be one busy little Jedi Master.
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Dec 2nd, 2001 08:51 PM |
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yerssot
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hey, he IS 900 years!
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Dec 2nd, 2001 09:39 PM |
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Julie
The Student
Registered: Aug 2001
Location: New Jersey
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At least he can get senior citizen discounts.
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Dec 4th, 2001 10:40 PM |
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yerssot
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why? he can force- persuede them to get it all for free...
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Dec 5th, 2001 12:12 PM |
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Julie
The Student
Registered: Aug 2001
Location: New Jersey
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True, but wouldn't that be of the dark side of the force?
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Dec 6th, 2001 10:30 PM |
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ToMacco
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Registered: Sep 2001
Location: A bar in Minnesota
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The reason Obi-wan says Yoda is his master, was because he was while Empire was shot.
Lucas decided to expand and make more characters, to make the new trillogy more interesting. Later, he comes up with an explination of why there was no mention of Qui-gon. There wasn't any deep meaning behind it.
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Dec 7th, 2001 02:53 AM |
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yerssot
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I can't follow but heck...
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Dec 7th, 2001 01:36 PM |
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