Okay, guys. I watched ROTS for the third time last night and noticed a couple of things that I'd like to point out, so let's just jump right in:
1) I agree with everyone's opinion that Anakin's fall to the Darkside seemed rushed or not 100% believable. No matter what you say, you can't make me feel it. I believed it, but I felt like, "that was quick", when I saw it. So here's how you could make it PERFECT.
Anakin in the Jedi Temple contemplating things and being tormented with the possible reality of Padme's death was enough. There was more shown there with no dialogue than most of the movie. That was brilliantly done. All Lucas had to do was have Anakin chop off Mace's hand and cut the scene where Anakin screams, "what have i done!". It would have been a SEAMLESS TRANSITION. I bought the fall in the temple, not the fall after the what have i done.
Also, did anyone else notice the implied "REDEMPTION" scene after Anakin kills the Viceroy?? There's a scene of Anakin staring into the sky with these beautiful clouds and sun; it almost looks like a scene out of the Ten Commandments. THen he looks down at the lave, which is like Hell. Right then, he realized his fate. I think that's why he had the tears. Also, notice that same aforementioned cloud was behind Obi-Wan as well, as if Obi-Wan was also his final chance at redemption.
Drop a line and tell me what you guys think! Later!
I totally agree with you, that line was kinda strange, i mean one minute he is like: What have i done?!, and then few moments later he bows to Palpatine and says he'll do anything he wants. Talking about his transformation its obvious it was too fast, regarding Padme's love or not. What seemed strange to me was that how he is lying to himself that jedis wanted to take control over the senate, and he tells that to Padme too, and talking about his empire to her. I always thought that he will turn to the darkside after Padme's death.
I agree. It felt rushed. but i like the idea of anakin hurting padme because he turned to the darkside, and the reason he did was to protect her. i love the vicious circle it creates.
but i think it would have been good to have that scene where anakin is "thinking" in the council chambers AFTER he helps kill windu, not before. then once he realises he has no choice he goes back to palps and pledges himself to the darkside.
THE THING THAT EVERYONE IS FORGETTING IS THE DARK SIDE ADDICTION!!!
In episode 6 and 5 they talk SOOO MUCH aobut how the DarkSide is just plain addicting and controlling...
when anakin pledges alligiance to Palps he looks all drugged up like if something is controlling him. THis is the DARKSIDE!! AND He let it consume him like letting a drug consume you!
ALL THE OTHER THINGS LED TO HIM TAKING THE DRUG (if you will) and once you start down the darkside, "FOREVER will it dominate your destiny"
"You don know the power of the darkside"
the Darkside is a DRUG PEOPLE!!!!!!! A REALLY GOOD DRUGG!! makes u stupid too
I agree .. and also think of it this way.. how the hell would he explain windu's death to the council?....he had already startd taking the plundge..then that happened .. what was the point in turning back now?...plus he went there with the intent to "help" palpatine so he could save padme..
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i don't buy that. Like someone said very well earlier that the darkside is like a drug, so it is. If you're a smoker (an avid one like myself), you'll think of times when you wanted to quit but thought to yourself "Awww. but i have this headache and i remember i used to feel much better after having a smoke, etc. etc. etc.". So while it seems like you're doing something wrong for a good purpose, it's just lying to yourself.
"if you cannot be turned to the darkside...then perhaps she will"
in the blink of an eye luke goes insane and falls to the darkside. he was 100% rational moments before, dead set on NOT killing his father and willing to sacrifice himself. all of the sudden he's controlled by anger, because off one thing: he's afraid of losing someone very close to him.
vader made it clear that he would remain a roadblock to luke saving his friends so thus became his enemy. luckily, luke was able to snap back and regain his senses. but that scene in ep6 is proof of how quick the turn to the darkside is. luke was a second away from sealing his fate, and the only thing that brought him back was seeing the definite results of his action and how his fate would be sealed (vader's severed mechanical hand)
luke had the luxury of knowing first hand what it truly is to be a sith, where anakin didnt. anakin had no...reference if you will. the only sith apprentices he met were maul(briefly saw him), and dooku. none of which seemed like a tragic or enslaved figure, but rather all powerful and focused. although he hated them, he had no reason to pity them, no reason to see them for what they were...slaves.
the point i'm making is that the dark side IS like a drug, or so its presented. the second you let it take you, all rationale goes out the window. the absolute proof of this is when palps says that the jedi will kill all the senators and anakin agrees. its more like he's under a spell.
as far as "what have i done" i think rather than show the cinematic weakness of his turn, it illustrates the compassion of a ultimately invincible character. where most if not all others would have been lost, he has a moment of clarity. once palps reminds him of saving padme, anakin once again loses his mind. so rather than him falling right after he says "what have i done", i see it as him momentarily coming back to his wits....but then losing them alltogether.
I agree Anakin didn't seem to struggle with what he was doing as much as you'd expect. take the part where he cuts of Dookus head, its like he had just split some milk and then thought never mind no harm done
On a side note... it would have been cool if Maul had sensed the power in Anakin and had tried to kill him so that Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon had to save him. Much more dramatic that someone would give up his life for Anakin only to have him repay the order later with betrayal.
No, SS is supercool...he is a friend of Lucas...because of him we have Jar Jar...he'S so cool.
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I wasn't born of a whistle or milked from a thistle at twilight.
No, I was all horns and thorns, sprung out fully formed, knock-kneed and upright.
So enough of this terror, we deserve to know light and grow evermore lighter and lighter.
You would have seen me through. but I could not undo that desire.
oh FFS we actually have a decent discussion in the forum and you guys have to hijack it with micky suttle talk? seriously please just let it go...PLEASE?
I agree with PVS...although I didn't like everything aboot the movie...the fall was not that bad...it could have been stretched a little more but in general it showed clearly what the dark side can do.
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I wasn't born of a whistle or milked from a thistle at twilight.
No, I was all horns and thorns, sprung out fully formed, knock-kneed and upright.
So enough of this terror, we deserve to know light and grow evermore lighter and lighter.
You would have seen me through. but I could not undo that desire.
Registered: May 2005
Location: Too Close To Transylvania
true, i also agree with PVS. It doesn;t NEED to show such an extended period of turning to the darkside. One mistake and there you go...down the entirely wrong path.
However, even if it wasn't necessary, such a presentation did indeed happen. Palpatine's constant approval of Anakin's evil actions and acceptance of strong emotions can count as a slow drift towards the dark side
Jun 20th, 2005 12:31 AM
