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Originally posted by h1a8
So your answer is that BA will never use speed against a superhuman in a forum fight.
Correct?

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Originally posted by FrothByte
The assertion is that even when he uses his superspeed, he'll still get tagged by superhuman opponents just as it was shown in his movie.

Unless you want to claim that this was not shown in the movie?

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Originally posted by h1a8
So you are now saying that he will use speed in a forum fight but will get tagged anyway.
I.e. either he will see the attack clearly and choose to get hit
or
he isn't fast enough to see the attack (he will not use his speed).

Is this the correct argument that you are using?

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Originally posted by FrothByte
The argument all along is that he will use superspeed the same way as been shown in the movies: that he can score a number of hits against superhuman opponents due to his speed but is still susceptible to getting hit himself.

It's the same argument that everyone has been making. Playing dumb doesn't change the fact that you have no counteraegument to this.

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Originally posted by h1a8
We use feats to prove what someone can do, but not speculation. Without durability feats then Surfer is as durable as he shown (nothing more). Same goes with speed and reaction feats.
I other words, BA can one two shot him.

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Originally posted by tkitna
We use feats and not speculation. How is BA one or two shotting a character with matter manipulation, phasing abilities, and power output unlike anything BA has ever encountered before while BA has never statued a superhuman?

Your being a hypocrite.

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then it turns round and round in a circular argument:

How does Surfer do any of his powers against someone as fast as BA?

Your answer would be that based on the film, BA isn't that fast against superhumans, only humans/bullets - which makes zero sense.

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Originally posted by tkitna
If BA was so fast, why didn't he just make short work out of the superhumans he was fighting against? If he wasn't trying to hurt them then why didn't he just avoid their attempts at hitting him altogether? You can't tell me he enjoyed getting hit. If it appeared BA was holding back, so be it, but is anybody to believe Surfer was going all out either? The only time he was shown to let loose was against Galactus (who H1 states was a cloud and had no substance) which caused a shockwave that was larger than the earth. I'll add that Surfer wasn't even at full strength during that exchange too.

Maybe superhumans are just that,,,,superhuman, and have reflexes and reaction times accordingly.

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Originally posted by FrothByte
The argument all along is that he will use superspeed the same way as been shown in the movies: that he can score a number of hits against superhuman opponents due to his speed but is still susceptible to getting hit himself.

It's the same argument that everyone has been making. Playing dumb doesn't change the fact that you have no counteraegument to this.

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because it was scripted that he gets hit, to show stakes in the movie. Like an exhibition match, or a WWE fight, vs a street fight or a cage fight.

That's why he didn't make short work of the superhuman opponents.

Edit: and even then - if we wanted to go down that rabbit hole, it still means Hawkman/Fate are faster than Surfer, in that case, as they have feats (tagging the superfast, faster than bullets BA) vs Surfer who has.....no speed feats.

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Originally posted by tkitna
And Surfers movie wasn't scripted either?

If we want to go down rabbit holes, Surfer more than likely could have just busted the entire planet since he destroyed a cosmic entity at least 20 times the size of it. BA would be nothing more than a dog pecker gnat in the scope of things considered.

You just can't give one character the benefit of the doubt without doing so to the other.