i've been thinking about this stuff recently
and i really don't know.
because, some stuff...
it is like you want to know the truth despite of how bad it is. just to know it. (at least i have that, i have to know.)
but the problem is that later it is hard to live with it
so maybe it would be better to live in sweet unconsciousness..
I want the painful truth... not because it make me happier, it doesnt. But I can deal with being told shitty shit... I cant stand being lied to though.
As much as I'd like to say terrible truth, I can't.
For example if you do something wrong in a relationship and it's gonna have no more effect if it's kept hidden and away. Would you tell your partner knowing that A) You'll likely lose them and B) It will never ever happen again? (what you did).
It's tricky. It really is, any time I've lied it's not been malicious or selfish.
Ideally I would say terrible truth though. You really cannot say unless you're in a situation.
Truth can be a tricky little blighter, but I have never seen the benefit in the bigger scheme of things to hide something, to lie and so forth, eventually it often seems that a lie comes back to haunt, and the longer its lasted the more damaging it is. Better to be honest. Of course it is important to judge how best to deliver the truth, to be tactful and skillful with it to limit the damage it to could do.
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Sometimes you lie to save someone else. Sometimes this works, mostly it doesn't. I'll go with the truth.....mostly. However, lies mostly lead to more lies...and alot of trouble.
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The problem with truth is people use it to hurt other people. You know people use it as an excuse to say mean and terrible things to other people, then hide behind the fact that "it's the truth".
I think kindness and consideration are more important values than truth. If your little kid saved up all his money to buy you a bottle of Brut aftershave for your birthday, are you gonna tell him "sorry buddy, that's a crap present, I only use Kouros, because it's much more expensive." Or are you gonna pretend like it's the best present you ever got?
If your wife spent hours cleaning the house, washing the dishes and the clothes, then cooking you a meal and the food tastes terrible, are you gonna spit it out and say that's the worst thing you ever tasted, or are you gonna be man enough to swallow it down then thank her for taking care of you and your kids so well?
I'm not saying always, but I'm saying it's relative, sometimes you have to have more courage to tell a lie than to tell the truth.
I want the truth too.Nothering is better then telling someone the truth.Even if it may hurt them.Lieing to me is not good it just confuses things and makes it alot worst.
JM
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Well, maybe you like always hearing the truth. But what about kids? Don't you think kids should be protected a little bit, encouraged even though they aren't much good at something? If your kid draws you a painting, are you gonna crumple it up and say that's the worst thing you've ever seen, and then throw it away, or are you going to hang it up on your wall proudly where everybody can see it?
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I still think love, care and consideration is more important than truth. Here is something interesting to take under consideration:
Michel Foucault proved there is no such thing as "truth". Truth is relative, what is true for you isn't true for me. Truth is NOT an absolute.
Therefore, you are arguing in favour of something that is different for you and me and moreover, something that changes over time.
But we are talking ONLY about TRUTH and LIE... and there's no need of the involvement of other person other than yourself... because you yourself bears your perceived TRUTH and LIE.
saying like "the truth you perceive may not be the truth for others"... nonsense, I mean, of course, that is common sense... but it is not what we are talking about here.
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It is not possible to talk about "only" truth and lies. They are human constructs, created in a social environment, therefore they cannot exist in isolation. You cannot talk about truth and lies as if they existed independently from human perception, like solid "real" objects.
Truth or lies are part of a discourse, and for discourse there need to be more than one actor in a relation ship. Truth, like power, only exist in relations, not in isolation.
Therefore there IS "need of the involvement of other person other than yourself"
As for "why should you do that", I am not sure what you are referrring to. Do you mean encourage kids, or throw the drawing away?
Let's assume it's the second one: I am using it as an example of the way "truth" without kindness and compassion, in "isolation" if you will, have the ability to hurt others. If it's an ugly drawing, worthless and meaningless, are you going to tell your kid that? Or are you going to take other factors into consideration, like the love and effort your kid has put into creating that drawing for you? In other words, NOT consider the truth merely as an abstract in isolation?
It's one reason why we do something out of our effort... to know what's with what we've done. That's why artists need critics to improve their being "artist".
I know, I am a gifted artist. I started to draw since I was five or six... and I draw a Japanese version of Godzilla which I used to watched on a television. I went to my mother and asked her how my drawing is. She barely told me... that it was not good.... but for as "little" as me... since "I was just a kid" then... She added that my drawing is wonderful.
I can't draw great drawings then, just because I was just a kid.
That simple truth made me realize and helped me to improve my drawings and make them even better... As a result, I have made many people be proud of my creations.
That's because of the TRUTHFULNESS my mother has used to bear up with me.
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I am not a hundred percent certain I follow you, sorry, did your mother say your drawing was NOT good or did she say it was WONDERFUL.
I am part of a creative writing class and I am all in favour of constructive criticism. The emphasis here being on CONSTRUCTIVE. In other words, selective. You don't tell somebody that it's the worst crap you've ever read, you tell them you liked THIS about it, and THAT has potential.
That is what i mean about truth being relative. Truth has enormous power to hurt, if wielded indiscriminately. By hiding some parts of the truth and emphasising others, we are able to control the damge we cause in such a way that it is constructive, rather than destructive.
For instance, if you were to draw a painting of your girlfriend, and she has a fat ass, are you going to emphasise the fatness of her ass? Or are you going to concentrate on the beauty of her eyes, her full round lips, her sexy arms, etc.
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The truth is always the best choice. But there are times in which the truth can hurt more than a lie. A lie sometimes can be beneficial and other times it can be hurtful.
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Nov 6th, 2004 10:17 AM
Ytaker agreed with me once on October 9th, 2004
