Are American troops undisciplined thugs dressed as soldiers?
Well I think they are. If you seen what happened recently an American soldier gunned down an injured and unarmed Iraqi in front of his colleagues. Not any of them showed any remorse about it, no effort to stop or reprimand the soldier. Then you have the damning prison photos where the Americans humiliated the Iraqi POWs in a series of incidents which I need not describe. Then you have the frighteningly overzealous attitude towards this war, where you have audio on news reports of events where the Americans are whooping in delight at blowing up the Iraqis and generally acting as if they are having a good time.
They are uncivilised trigger-happy morons who aren't mentally fit to hold weapons, I saw one one of them kiss his gun - how much does that tell you that he's enjoying it too much.
I know this may sound a bit naive and ignorant and I'm not commenting on the characteristics of every member of the army but when I was at school it was all the thugs and bullies who joined the army.
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The obvious and only answer to this question is "No they are not."
SOME of them are, but thats true of all armies. The only shocking thing here is that Lamericans still buy the "our brave noble boys" BS when most other societies know damn well the army is where it's rejects end up.
theyre the worst army with the best equipment...
they have half-arsed training and like you said, are overzealous thugs
even with our jamming weapons and pairs of boots to share between a whole regiment, the British army is a far more disciplined and professional - and all in all and more effective fighting force - than the US army
perfect point, the British controlled areas of Iraq came under relative control ages before the US areas, because of the softly softly approach and generally better attitude the soldiers showed to Iraqi citizens, as opposed to American tactics.
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The majority of soldiers in any army aren't really of the highest morals. They are people who are willing to go out there and kill, clearly thugs but its not just US troops guilty of this.
I saw somebody on the news this moring who was complaining and blaming the government for the death of his son, who was a soldier in the army in Iraq.
But I was thinking, what do they seriously expect. They shouldnt have invaded a country and expect that a soldier who is at war would not have any chance of dying. That's what soldires do. They die.
War is war. You go out and you don't show any mercy to the opposing force. If he gunned down a civilian, that's on him and he should be repremanded, but if it was an emey soldier, good. Showing mercy is a sign of weakness in the eyes of the enemy. Do you seriously think the Iraqi soldiers would treat us civily and ask us politely before they shoot us in our faces? Get a grip, it's not a ****ing civil disagreement.
It's an unnecessary war, but that's exactly what it is, a war. You leave the civilians alone, and mercilessly slaughter the enemy, because that's all you can expect them to do for you.
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You're fighting an enemy that stoops to tactics like booby trapping dead bodies with bombs and shooting at you while holding a white flag of surrender.
It's easy to sit here in your comfy chair in front of a computer from home and ridicule the actions of those troops.
I don't approve of what he did by any means, but out there, under the pressure and stress those soldiers are under....things like this are bound to happen.
To believe that this is the only incident of this sort is ignorance. This just happens to be the only time something like this was caught on tape.
I'm willing to bet if the roles were switched and a defenseless American was on the floor....the enemy would have made his passing a lot more painful than a bullet to the head.
everyone who bashes on their own troops needs to STFU unless they have seen action themselves and have a basis for comparison.
i have never served, but am politically outspoken. i am very vocal about my opposition to the war in iraq and how it has been conducted. however, you will NEVER hear me badmouth our troops.
so again, to all those armchair soldiers, please stfu
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War is war. You go out and you don't show any mercy to the opposing force. If he gunned down a civilian, that's on him and he should be repremanded, but if it was an emey soldier, good. Showing mercy is a sign of weakness in the eyes of the enemy. Do you seriously think the Iraqi soldiers would treat us civily and ask us politely before they shoot us in our faces?
Whatever you believe is up to you. Personally I believe that there are rules to war, esspecially if you try to hold your own country and soldiers up as morally superior to your enemy. If america is trying to convince the world that they are morally superior and doing us all a favour (by america I mean Bush, no general offense intended) then the behaviours regarding the Abu Gahrib scandal, the retention of the prisoners at Gitmo, and the entire Iraqi war are showing the world that you are just like everyone else.
War brings out the best in some individuals, bravery, comorodery, and compasion and mercy in some. But War also brings out the worst in large groups of people and nations and often makes them feel comfortable in justifying things that are morally wrong no matter what the circumstance.
Saying that they would do the same to our soldiers is even more reason to take the higher ground.
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I argee!Not all of them are bad but I must say t he who thing about the Troops abusing the man is just plain wrong.We set a great exsample of what america stands for when we did that.
I am still desgusted by that whole thing.But there are many troops who don't acted like so to blame all of them is not reallly that fair.JM
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Brilliant isn't it this shock about soldiers being violent! What on Earth else would anyone expect of people who are trained to kill arbitrarily? of COURSE they are going to be violent and use real bullets instead of paintballs... Next I expect some hysteria about athletes being quite athletic.
HEy! Guess what - anyone saying "if your going to badmouth our troops..STFU!!!" - did it never occur to you that freedom of speech is - according to the US president - one of the liberties that this war is about?
Nobody is under any illusion that under combat conditions things happen that the public dont know about - and this instance seems like it's probably a ground clearance where you put 2 bullets into any prone "corpse" just to make sure its not doggo - its in the army HANDBOOK for petes sake.
But the whole "the enemy would do the same so we have to" argument and "support our troops or shut up" is worse than supporting the war. In a moral minefield like this conflict the moment you adopt enemy tactics through choice, or begin to say that expressing any non supportive viewpoint is wrong - you become worse than the thing you are fighting. Worse yet, you have lost the REAL war you are fighting - the war for "liberation"
So could you ignorant assholes please STFU. Thanks.
i dont know if you were referring to my post, but i will respond nonetheless.
i say "dont BASH our troops" not "dont bash the government"
the actions of a handful of troops should never lead to bashing of the entire armed forces. back in the sixties, there were those who were brave enough to oppose the war in vietnam. unfortunately, there were also lowlife scumbag assh0les who chose to spit on our troops when they came home...SPIT ON THEM.
thats the difference. "support our troops" does NOT mean "support the war"
it simply means dont bash people who are overseas in a shitstorm.
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