Dr. Leg Kick
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Turkey, Armenia sign historic accord
quote: ZURICH Turkey and Armenia signed a landmark agreement Saturday to establish diplomatic relations and open their sealed border after a century of enmity, as U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton helped the two sides clear a last-minute snag.
The contentious issue of whether the killing of up to 1.5 million Armenians during the final days of the Ottoman Empire amounted to genocide is only hinted at in the agreement.
"There were several times when I said to all of the parties involved that this is too important," Clinton said. "This has to be seen through. We have come too far. All of the work that has gone into the protocols should not be walked away from."
The Turkish and Armenian foreign ministers signed the accord in the Swiss city of Zurich after a dispute over the final statements they would make. In the end, the signing took place about three hours later than scheduled and there were no spoken statements.
Clinton and mediators from Switzerland intervened to help broker a solution, U.S. officials said on condition of anonymity, in keeping with State Department regulations. Better ties between Turkey, a regional heavyweight, and poor, landlocked Armenia have been a priority for President Barack Obama, and Clinton had flown to Switzerland to witness the signing, not help close the deal.
Clinton told reporters traveling later on the plane with her to London that both sides had problems with the other's prepared statement and that the Armenian foreign minister had to call his president several times.
She said it became important just to approve the accord and not have the sides make speeches that could be interpreted as putting legal conditions on the document. She told each country that could be done later, "but let the protocols be the statement because that was what we were there to sign."
The accord is expected to win ratification from both nations' parliaments and could lead to a reopening of their border within two months. It has been closed for 16 years.
But nationalists on both sides are still seeking to derail implementation of the deal.
U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon called the signing a "historic decision" that "constitutes a milestone toward the establishment of good neighborly relations," spokeswoman Michele Montas said in New York.
American officials said Clinton; the top U.S. diplomat for Europe, Philip Gordon; and Swiss Foreign Minister Micheline Calmy-Rey were engaged in furious high-stakes shuttle diplomacy with the Turkish and Armenian delegations to resolve the differences.
Diplomats said the Armenians were concerned about wording in the Turkish statement that was to be made after the signing ceremony at University of Zurich and had expressed those concerns "at the last minute" before the scheduled signing ceremony.
Clinton had arrived at the ceremony venue after meeting separately with the Turks and Armenians at a hotel, but abruptly departed without leaving her car when the problem arose.
She returned to the hotel where she spoke by phone from the sedan in the parking lot, three times with the Armenians and four times with the Turks. At one point in the intervention, a Swiss police car, lights and siren blazing, brought a Turkish diplomat to the hotel from the university with a new draft of his country's statement.
After nearly two hours, Clinton and Armenian Foreign Minister Edward Nalbandian met in person at the hotel and drove back to the university where negotiations continued. It was not clear if there would be a resolution.
In the end, the Turks and Armenians signed an accord establishing diplomatic ties that could reduce tensions in the troubled Caucasus region and facilitate its growing role as a corridor for energy supplies bound for the West.
The agreement faces nationalist opposition, and protests have been particularly vociferous among the Armenian diaspora.
"The success of Turkey in pressuring Armenia into accepting these humiliating, one-sided protocols proves, sadly, that genocide pays," said Ken Hachikian, chairman of the Armenian National Committee of America.
Major countries, however, expressed their support for the accord, with the foreign ministers of the United States, Russia, France and the European Union in the room to watch the much-delayed signing.
"No problem, they signed," quipped French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner.
In Turkey, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said his country was showing "goodwill" to restore ties with Armenia. But he said Turkey was keen on seeing Armenian troops withdrawn from Nagorno-Karabakh, an Armenian-occupied enclave in Azerbaijan that has been a center of regional tensions.
"We are trying to boost our relations with Armenia in a way that will cause no hard feelings for Azerbaijan," Erdogan told reporters.
Armenian President Serge Sarkisian said his country was taking "responsible decisions" in normalizing relations with Turkey, despite what he called the unhealable wounds of genocide.
The agreement calls for a panel to discuss "the historical dimension" of the killing of an estimated 1.5 million Armenians during World War I. The discussion is to include "an impartial scientific examination of the historical records and archives to define existing problems and formulate recommendations."
That clause is viewed as a concession to Turkey, which denies genocide, contending the toll is inflated and that those killed were victims of civil war.
"There is no alternative to the establishment of the relations with Turkey without any precondition," said Sarkisian. "It is the dictate of the time."
Javier Solana, the EU's foreign policy chief, thanked Turkey, which is a candidate for European Union membership.
"This is an important cooperation, no doubt, of Turkey to solve one issue that pertains to a region which is in our neighborhood," Solana told AP Television News.
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov also was present for the ceremony in Switzerland, whose diplomats mediated six weeks of talks between Turkey and Armenia to reach the accord. The signing took place in Zurich University's Churchill room, where Winston Churchill gave a speech in 1946.
Swiss Foreign Ministry spokesman Lars Knuchel declined to comment on the contentious issue of speeches but said the important thing was that the accord was signed. He said Switzerland stood ready for further mediation, if both Armenia and Turkey request it as both sides seek to implement the accord and build on them.
A Turkish official, who was not authorized to speak and demanded anonymity, said all sides were happy to dispense with the statements and that the important thing was the signatures means the process can continue.
But Turkey's Ahmet Davutoglu appeared the far happier top envoy as he smiled broadly while posing for photographs and greeting the other foreign ministers in attendance. Armenia's Nalbandian, by contrast, only grudgingly smirked as he shook Davutoglu's hand.
Yilmaz Ates of Turkey's main opposition Republican People's Party said the country should avoid any concessions.
"If Armenia wants to repair relations ... then it should end occupation of Nagorno-Karabakh. That's it," Ates said Saturday.
About 10,000 protesters rallied Friday in Armenia's capital to oppose the signing, and a tour of Armenian communities by Sarkisian sparked protests in Lebanon and France, with demonstrators in Paris shouting "Traitor!"
On the Nagorno-Karabakh issue, Turks have close cultural and linguistic ties with Azerbaijan, which is pressing Turkey for help in recovering its land. Turkey shut its border with Armenia to protest the Armenian invasion of Nagorno-Karabakh in 1993.
Turkey wants Armenia to withdraw some troops from the enclave area to show goodwill and speed the opening of their joint border, but Armenia has yet to agree, said Omer Taspinar, Turkey project director at the Brookings Institution in Washington.
"We may end up in a kind of awkward situation where there are diplomatic relations, but the border is still closed," Taspinar said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_turkey_armenia
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Oct 10th, 2009 11:34 PM
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Obviously, Turks are doing this to appease France as well as EU in order to get into the said institution.
It will not be positive in its entirety until Turkey admits the genocide they have perpetrated against Armenians.
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Oct 11th, 2009 01:20 AM
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Indeed. Quite clearly pressure was put on as part of Turkey's entry to the European Union.
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Oct 11th, 2009 03:50 PM
Dr. Leg Kick
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Was expecting more responses. Such is life.
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Oct 12th, 2009 05:21 AM
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you should try to tie the story into Britney spears life somehow.
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Oct 12th, 2009 06:32 AM
Bicnarok
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If you donīt put the past behind you, you canīt progress. Whatīs what the Ottoman empire did 100 years ago hasnīt much to do with todays generation.
Turkey shouldnīt be allowed in the EU, middle ages muslim countries aint good for progress.
Oct 12th, 2009 12:58 PM
WanderingDroid
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On a personal note...back in my High School days I remember the Armenian teens hating turks...back when we had Homecoming the main event wasn't the rival football teams...it was the rumbles between armenians and turks....crazy times.
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Oct 12th, 2009 04:07 PM
Dr. Leg Kick
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Bicnarok
If you donīt put the past behind you, you canīt progress. Whatīs what the Ottoman empire did 100 years ago hasnīt much to do with todays generation.
Turkey shouldnīt be allowed in the EU, middle ages muslim countries aint good for progress.
The Turks can keep the land, the Armenian ancient churches are still there, so it doesn't matter. I think just accepting the fact that the Ottoman Empire committed the genocide can lead to much further progress.
And I'm pretty sure Turkey will now be in EU.
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Oct 12th, 2009 05:30 PM
jaden101
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Dr. Leg Kick
Was expecting more responses. Such is life.
Unfortunately most Americans care more about a 6 year old American child being suspended than they do about genuinely important international political developments.
Such is life indeed.
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Oct 12th, 2009 06:19 PM
Robtard
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Turkey's joying the EU, great. Faux-secularist clowns.
They'll probably be outbreaks of violence now because of this specifically.
Just be best if they go back to openly hating each other, instead of shaking hands with the right, while concealing a dagger with the left.
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Oct 12th, 2009 06:40 PM
Symmetric Chaos
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by jaden101
Unfortunately most Americans care more about a 6 year old American child being suspended than they do about genuinely important international political developments.
Such is life indeed.
This is happening in Europe thus they shouldn't care.
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Oct 12th, 2009 06:56 PM
jaden101
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
This is happening in Europe thus they shouldn't care.
Given that it's happening in a country where they keep a large stockpile of their nuclear weapons and where their proposed missle defence system then you think they should care.
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Oct 12th, 2009 06:59 PM
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though, to be honest guys, kids getting kicked out of school impact the lives of the average American far more than token gestures made by foreign nations.
is this more important on a grand scale? sure, but most people don't give a shit about the grand scale
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Oct 12th, 2009 08:06 PM
lil bitchiness
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Well Germans will be thrilled if Turkey enters EU. And French - they may even throw a festival on the streets of Paris...involving a lot of...people.
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Oct 12th, 2009 10:08 PM
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