In numerous fights involving Superman and characters such as Silver Surfer, Captain Marvel, Thor, and others one major issue keeps coming up: can these characters exploit Superman's weaknesses in a fight? Many people say yes, while many Superman fans say a definitive no.
So the point of this thread is to get views on what level of magical firepower or energy manipulation does a character need to have to be able to win consistently against Superman with only those abilities.
Any thoughts?
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Of course competent and high end energy/matter manipulators can exploit Superman weakness. The proff of this is the history of Superman being put down by such exploitations.
If you disagree your most likely Philosophia, Pr, and shokosugi.
all it takes is a character with enough power to exploit superman's weaknesses + sufficient speed to carry out said attacks before superman can stop them.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 05:56 PM
I'd say Superman's solar reserve is somewhat harder to mess with than, say, Banner's gamma radiation too. People who control solar power can't just yank it out of him or anything.
Didn't Doctor Light do something on that level? Triumph too.
Also this is kind of off topic but does anyone know what issue it was where a vampire (I think its actually Dracula) bites Superman in the neck but immediately burst into flames because Superman is a living solar battery?
Also, Triumph is the exception, not the rule. After Infinite Crisis, Superman lived powerless for a year after having the yellow sun energy driven from his body.
I think Doctor Light only yanked out his heat vision (or rather, Conner's). I don't think he's ever yanked out a kryptonian's solar reserve.
Triumph... well, not in the JLA story with the genies at least, there they fought physically. That's the only time I've read him so I can't speak for the other story with him.
Superman has overcame his weakness one more then one occasion. With that said, I don't see why people just jump to conclusion thinking Superman will lose to anyone who can exploit his weakness. Many also seem to forget that not all characters gun for your weakness and continue to apply it. Yes, it would make sense, but history for all comic character shows that they are that much of smocks.
Relying only on weakness exploitation, one would have to be a sufficiently powerful Herald character, IMO. The reason why some people give nods to Surfer, Thor, and CM over Superman isn't simply because of their ability to weakness exploit Superman; the fact that they can do that in addition to their other abilities which are on par or nearly so to Superman's own (ie. speed, strength, durability, etc).
Besides the fact that Superman is steadily getting to the point where his weaknesses are no longer detrimental to the point of being fatal as they once were, it's going to take more than only relying on plain kryptonite, magic, or red sun/deprivation of yellow sun, to beat him.
Yep, him surviving a nuke while surrounded by kryptonite pretty much downgrades kryptonite from ultimate weakness to serious potentially life-threatening allergy.
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