One was a fully trained dark side adept capable of conjuring powerful lightning from the atmosphere and whatnot, and the other is a freshly minted clone.
C'baoth and Thrawn used Spaarti cloning cylinders. They normally take one year of growth but Thrawn discovered that using Ysalamiri to disconnect someone from the Force enabled them to grow within 15 days. Somehow, C'baoth refrained from using the Ysalamari and Luuke was still grown in a month.
And on topic, Wookiee says this about Sedirss QL: "But his powers were effortlessly deflected by the more powerful Jedi, Luke Skywalker. The Jedi bested Sedriss in combat, utilizing Force push against the Executor effectively."
I believe this is Luke Skywalker two years after the Thrawn trilogy. And Luke circa 9 ABY had a helluva fight against his clone.
I'm going with Luuke.
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Luke came quite a long way in those two years, going from struggling with month-old clones to dueling Palpatine himself, so I'd say that's not a very sensible approach.
"Effortlessly" deflected. Unless Luke discovered how to ascend to the next level of Super Saiyan in two years of doing nothing and being trained by no one... by your approach he should be ass kicking Palpatine's sparkly new clone. And considering he defeated Vader who's 80% of RotJ Palpatine...
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As we have established that Luuke was created in a month's time, the idea that he has been sufficiently trained to pose a threat to the likes of Sedriss, a fully trained dark side adept, is unconvincing. Furthermore, the use of Wookieepedia's liberal narrative doesn't constitute itself as proof. I don't have a copy of Dark Empire on hand and, from the sounds of it, neither do you.
As far as Luke's progression of power goes, his abilities increased dramatically in that time. Aggressive use of the Force and his continued development afforded him power well beyond what we saw him do in TTT.
So the fact that Sedriss, the most powerful Dark Sider except for Palpatine couldn't even get a Force Grip on Luke means no nevermind to you? Yeah sorry, but the two year quantum leap of improvement in an untrained Jedi doesn't fly. According to your "curbstomp" conclusion, Luke's abilities were matched in his fight with his clone, but two years later effortlessly repels a telekinetic attack by a person who would have "curbstomped" the clone?
But yeah, you're right. An unexplained gigantic leap in power is far more likely than Sedriss just not being good enough.
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If you hear a b*tchy attitude in my word inside your head, go tell yourself off, not me.
And I can't prove it was effortless. I can't prove it happened. I can't prove that Dark Empire even took place. So help me out here, would ya? Could you correct my mistake and prove that it took a great deal of effort so as to make Sedriss look good?
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This is not an unsupported claim. Starkiller was an anomaly, a highly potent, primal Force user who demonstrates powers well beyond Luuke and Luke (as of the Thrawn Trilogy). Starkiller is the exception, not the rule. If you intend to prove that Luuke's lack of training isn't an obstacle, you would need to provide evidence that he demonstrates extraordinary power on par with a fully trained dark side adept.
So yes, what I said is perfectly true and perfectly valid: I didn't find your argument convincing.
And I did it without being mean. So be nice.
plz
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He's powerful enough to defeat 2 BBY Vader, not powerful enough to then kill him in his gigantic kamikaze blast. Luke mean time, also defeated Vader. Six years later. Five years after that he meets a near match in his clone. Five years. That means Luke's a god by now. After all, it's you who said that the fraction of one year of Dark tutelage propelled Luke from barely mtaching his clone (remember Luuke, the guy who would get curbstomped by Sedriss?) to easily repelling and shrugging off Sedriss. My God. Definitely couldn't be that Sedriss (remember him? That guy who was passed over for Sith apprentice for Luke, that guy who had a rough time with his clone?) is just not good enough.
And you need to provide evidence that Starkiller is the exception.
That's because you're an idiot.
Whoops.
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Now how about you stop your one-trick act of quoting Wookieepedia as a fallible source and provide some evidence of your own. After all, if you're going to defeat my baseless points, you need... what's it called? Hmmm... evidence! That thing I don't have and you must have in abundance. Why else would you be so cocky?
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Wookieepedia is not a valid source, so calling you out on using it is perfectly valid. I am right, you are wrong, and no personal tragedy you've apparently suffered in the past 24 hours can ever change that.
So you think that because I can't provide a source for my claim, that you don't need to provide one for yours? Yeah, nice try.
And you're still an idiot.
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Dec 14th, 2010 11:14 PM
