Jean Grey's powers are enhanced by the Phoenix Force. Onslaught has absorbed Franklin Richards, Charles Xavier, and Magneto's powers. However, he also has Xavier inside of him, which means that his powers are being held back.
Pros:
Jeans best feat! Altering timelines in the palm of her hands
Franklins best feat, creating pocket universes in the palm of his hand.
Con:
Jean was defeated by the magnetic attack of Xorn
Onslaught has Xorn's powerset
Onslaught was argued to have the potential to increase his powers in confrontations with mutants And you are pitting him against an omega level mutant.
On paper I go with onslaught.
__________________ Quotes from Hia8:
"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
Seeing as how he is the villain and the villain can't win....
I assumed him the benefit of the sum of his parts...
Cause if you only went by onslaughts feats... He's boned...
__________________ Quotes from Hia8:
"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
Is white Phoenix what the op meant?
How is that different that what Xorn destroyed?
__________________ Quotes from Hia8:
"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
Gender: Male Location: somewhere within time & space
Onslaught ftw.
The Force betting blown into billions of pieces isn't a fluke or pis.
It happened again when the Shiar ripped it back to reality by force
and consequently shattered it again.
An Alien Ship impaled the Force, drained it and nearly killed it.
6 heroes (5 from the Ultraverse and Rogue) battered and tired,
stalemated and then drove back the Force into a portal displacing it across space-time.
btw. This isn't an avatar we're talking about, this is the actual Phoenix Force.
-----------------------------------
The Force is powerful, no doubt, Universal when it's at its best,
but its durability is paltry to say the least.
Also,
Jean never held any Timeline in her hands,
that was Sublime's atoms she was controlling,
not the visualization of reality 15104 in her hands.
She did however alter that HCT-Reality by time traveling to the past,
and changing Scotts's mind about staying with the X-Men.
This in-turn assured Sublime would never rise in this possible alternate future.
Anyway, Jean amputated the future of reality 15104
by removing Sublime's atoms from reality and transferring said atoms into the WHR.
"telekinetic control of all those atoms isn't as easy as it sounds, even for a WPotC"
Scott created Reality 15104 (HCT) via a decision. (leaving the X-Men)
Scott altered Reality 15104 when he changed his mind (via Jean mind rape)
__________________
Last edited by Mr Master on Dec 20th, 2011 at 02:59 PM
Oh? I always thought jean was altering time itself. Not challenging you as this interpretation actually makes the Phoenix seem more reasonable to me... More Galactus like then TOAA like.
__________________ Quotes from Hia8:
"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
Gender: Male Location: somewhere within time & space
I sincerely hope the Force is written as it should be,
a Universal Concept with universal power on an atomic level.
I can finally start giving it its due, cause for the most part, it's a disappointment.
Wuts up good friend ...
She did alter that possible alternate future actually,
but it was in-directly as I explained. (via the Scott mind rape)
Yea, it didn't make sense to me for a good while, I believe I was wrong then,
even though I disputed the exaggeration of the feat,
I still thought she actually did have an actual Universe in her hands,
but then I brought in facts as to why it was not and could not have been 616.
Nowadays, I understand that it was never an actual Universe to begin with, (ODB shares credit)
that it was simply a visualization of a damaged Universe (reality 15104)
and while it was dis-infected of Sublime by then, (future amputation)
the mess left behind was still there, X-Men were dead, and there was chaos,
so in order for Jean to prevent that future (15104) from even possibly happening,
she reached into 616 to the moment where Scott made his decision to leave the X-men,
which is what initially diverged Reality 15104 to begin with,
and so she made him change his mind about leaving,
this in turn, nullified 15104, since Scott never made the decision to create it.
Remember, all alternate possible future diverge/derive from 616,
and every character from Bishop to Guardians of the Galaxy that
altered their futures did it by traveling back to 616 and changing something.
__________________
Last edited by Mr Master on Dec 20th, 2011 at 10:55 PM
Jeans best feats would be telekinetically amputating the HCT timeline from the multiverse as depicted on panel and stated in the handbook.
Then preceding to materialize 616 atom by atom within the White Hot Room. A feat depicted artistically as 616 materialized in her hands and the Phoenix Consciousness told her that control of all of those atoms wasnt easy even for a White Phoenix. The point was further verified by the handbook adding to her powerset description that she can manipulate atomic structures on a universal scale following this event.
Franklin created a pocket reality. The sum of that reality was basically a planet. We saw nothing much else beyond that to indicate that reality was anywhere near the scale of a standard reality. Hence why it is officially classed as a pocket reality. Jeans universal scale matter manipulation was exponentially greater.
She was not defeated in a confrontation with Xorn, she was powered down and comforting him, trying to convince him the error of his ways when he sneakily just attacked her. Be objective and put the instance in context.
When powered up and combat ready immediately before the Xorn incident she was within the Sun manipulating its energy and matter to telekinetically create a starship. Did Xorns attack possess more energy than the Sun?
Objectivity works wonders.
Theorized potentials mean nothing here, only demonstrated feats. Plus as stated on panel, a Phoenix is the ultimate point of mutation. Human mutation goes no further
She manifested a visualization of a universe in her hands and the phoenix flaring within that visualization was also a visualization. We know a universe-sized phoenix didn't flare up and muck up that universe. And nobody should seriously consider accepting that one was a visualization while the other isn't... just because.
And the "telekinetic control of all those atoms" is a reference to the atoms that made up Sublime. Not the universe's atoms.
Nobody cares about handbooks anymore, particularly when secondary sources conflict with each other, as they do in this instance and many others. No kidding.
KMC Community Forums
Dec 19th, 2011 10:32 PM
