Bane w/orbalisks: Bane probably. Orbalisks are near undestructable, his lightning is capable of reducing people to ash, astonishing speed, disintegration of technobeasts and I think it's a win for Bane.
Bane w/ orbalisk (DoE Bane): Here I'm ready to argue for Malgus, if anybody wants to.
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Interesting....
There used to be a heated debate that DoE Bane could give Sidious a run for his money. IIRC the reason being his supposedly virtually unmatched saber-skills (rain feat)....
Yet, if Malgus has a very good chance at beating him, either DoE Bane's abilities has been dramatically overblown, or Malgus's prowess has been severely underestimated.
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Bane in both scenarios. Orbs is ridiculous for most anyone to take him.
As to DoE, yes, the speed feat is relevant here. The fact that he survived against Zannah when he was unarmed and in an enclosed hallway speaks to his abilities. His battle against Kas'im when he was only a neophyte in saber combat speaks to his abilities. He may have been amped against the three Jedi, but they were also aided by BM and were pressed to their eventual deaths.
On the Force side, his lighting is nigh ridiculous. That is one place that only he and Sidious have demonstrated such great power. His of one million volts that ashed bodies and disintegrated technobeasts, and Sidious' whose ashed a Sith Worm from the inside. His Dark Void that left nothing of those who contacted it. His cloaking himself in the Force for a trip into vacuum and subsequently using the Force to survive an impact that left everyone and everything else involved as nothing but bloody pulp. The destructive capability of his Force Wave.
Malgus is no punk, but he is not on Bane's level. There's a reason that there are Bane vs Yoda/Luke/Sidious/Windu threads. Malgus would be eaten alive by any duelists/Force users of that calibur.
Malgus as an apprentice: defeated along with his lord by one Master and his apprentice.
Bane as an 'apprentice': evinces lighting after a few hours of study that utterly terrifies the woman who has taught it to him, explores forgotten Sith worlds on his own, forces one of the most revered lords of his order to kowtow to him, defeats the most capable individual Sith duelist of the order, overcomes the mental techniques of a Sith capable of offering Battle Meditation to an entire fleet while simultaneously disrupting the combat coherency of enemy forces.
Bane far outstrips Malgus, and yes, if necessary, I believe that Bane's will and mental prowess could overcome that of Malgus for a forced essence transfer.
Almost all the opponents Bane fought were featless, even the Sith swords master didn't really do much. Besides, Bane was losing against him. Bane was also amped during his most impressive force usages.
I don't think it's reasonable to assume top-people from their respective eras were unimpressive just because it hasn't been detailed. Some of the stuff that said warriors were said to have done is very impressive.
People's opinions of Bane seem to have fallen with time.
If the opponents are featless, they're featless. Darth Mlagus was able to achieve a state that resembled oneness in Deceived. Bane hasn't done anything like that unless he was amped.
Malgus couldn't fry a damn trooper with his lightning during the height of battle. Even when he did so at a later time, his display was not on par with that of Bane. Again, only Bane and Sidious have displayed Force lighting capable of utterly destroying its target.
I have no problem with you disagreeing with assessments of Bane, but try addressing the arguments made. There is no era in which a Jedi killing fifty or so other Force users is a 'featless' character.
Tulak Hord's ability is only in question because of the murkiness surrounding him. No one argues that if he truly slayed hundreds of other duelists that he was a punk because he was born too long before Yoda/Anakin/etc.
Clearly Kas'im was great in his ability one, for being able to train Bane in the manner that he did, two for having survived in an era in which he would have faced a number of Jedi in combat before taking his role on Korriban, and three, for even having survived the Force wave that Bane unleashed on him.
I do wish Karpyshyn had done a better job going into detail in the Bane novels because a lot more could have been developed, but the top tier duelists were demonstrated to be that.
I will say what I've said before: Tempest and I in no way agree as to the whole picture that is the Bane era, but at least he sites evidence and expects me and others to do the same in our arguments. Vensai, in other threads you make it clear that you know little of this era, and argue little about it, yet here you want to claim that Malgus is Bane's equal; fine, give some reason as to why.
Again, look at what little Malgus did as an apprentice vs what Bane evinced both in terms of saber prowess, mental strength, and proficiency in the Force. Look at what they did at their peaks. Malgus in not a lightweight, but I he doesn't even show the capability with sabers of Maul or Dooku, nor does he show the affinity for the Force necessary to survive an encounter with Bane.
As to Bane's Force prowess, I'd also like to point to him having the requisite ability to satisfy the requirements of the wards leading to Revan's holocron, his possession of the Force knowledge to access it and later Derzu's holocron, create his own holocron, and to immerse his own consciousness into the holocron of Andeddu in order to unlock the necessary information for essence transfer.
Holocron's were not an artifact left behind weak Sith Lords, nor were the majority of them easily utilized.
Please. I don't recall Bane killing anyone with lightning in DoE without a nexus enhancing him. Malgus, on the other hand, has done so, without any enhancement.
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