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Creation and God

From my beliefs as you know God created the universe in 6 days, and its taken us 6 billion years to figure it out and we just broke it a few years ago with mapping human Genome and other break throughs.

Why can't/don't want scientists want to show/prove that a higher power does not exist?

Look at our brain and optical nerve's and how they work. Light is shown and our eyes see based off how much light actually is available to see then our brain interprets what our optic nerve inputs and it forms our surrounding environment.

This is quantified by the trillions of creatures that have been created and born throughout the years and the unborn that still have not been.

How is this not divine or created supernaturally?

I don't see why science to some people does not point to God/Yahweh/TOAA/Allah, whatever name your are comfortable using.


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Science points to nature.


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Science points to nature.


But how was nature created? Big Bang?


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But how was nature created? Big Bang?


Just about anything is a possibility. For all we know, our universe could have been created by a flying spaghetti monster. Science reveals facts, many of which have already dis-proven religious claims.

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I'm not sure why the Big Bang Theory is impossible to accept, but Bearded Man makes all of earthCreation in six days is totally legit.

Because of an old book which says so.


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Just about anything is a possibility. For all we know, our universe could have been created by a flying spaghetti monster. Science reveals facts, many of which have already dis-proven religious claims.


I have a problem with organized religion or any religion of any kind. So lets not talk about religion. I just wanna talk about science which much of it can be explained by God or a Big Bang.

Why can't the big bang be created by a God or Supernatural being?


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Why can't/don't want scientists want to show/prove that a higher power does not exist?


I don't see why science to some people does not point to God/Yahweh/TOAA/Allah, whatever name your are comfortable using.



Because the Bible is the only "proof" that God exists & that on its own is not substantial proof enough.

It's that simple.

Blind Faith is an opinion not a scientific fact.

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Because the Bible is the only "proof" that God exists & that on its own is not substantial proof enough.

It's that simple.

Blind Faith is an opinion not a scientific fact.


But many scientist also believe that God created the universe.

Say you have to geneticists who are professors at a respected university. One's scientific research points to God, one's points to the Big Bang. What if they are both right but just "religion" says they cannot be?

What if God was the Big Bang or created the Big Bang?


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Then the real question IMO is why doesn't God just show himself now to humanity? Instead He "sent down his son" all those thousands of years ago when humanity wasn't "intellectually smart enough" to understand the existence of a higher being.

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It's not 'what if'; it's 'what can you prove'. And the answer is 'nothing'.


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But how was nature created? Big Bang?


Why does it matter?


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Then the real question IMO is why doesn't God just show himself now to humanity? Instead He "sent down his son" all those thousands of years ago when humanity wasn't "intellectually smart enough" to understand the existence of a higher being.


Well to answer that question I have to relate to you my understanding of the scriptures I have read and tell you my opinion, I can if you wish.


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I'm not sure why the Big Bang Theory is impossible to accept, but Bearded Man makes all of earthCreation in six days is totally legit.

Because of an old book which says so.




Would a new book be trustworthy by sheer virtue of its newness?

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From my beliefs as you know God created the universe in 6 days, and its taken us 6 billion years to figure it out ...


Supra, I'm not quite getting your point of view because of this statement.

Are you an Old Earth Creationist or a New Earth one?

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Would a new book be trustworthy by sheer virtue of its newness?


Books are written by people. The fact that it's old simply reinforces how out of touch with reality it is, much less ignoring the problem of verifying its 'truth'. This is like asking why the ancient Norse thought the world was made from a giant, and then being disappointed when science fails to conform to that ideal.


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Well to answer that question I have to relate to you my understanding of the scriptures I have read and tell you my opinion, I can if you wish.


Once again, why quote from a book written thousands of years ago only to dismiss today's technology & scientific proof???

If you or a family member is physically sick, are you going to pray or seek medical/scientific help?

If it's a mental condition, are you going to blame possession of evil demons or seek out specialists in mental health?

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Once again, why quote from a book written thousands of years ago only to dismiss today's technology & scientific proof???

If you or a family member is physically sick, are you going to pray or seek medical/scientific help?

If it's a mental condition, are you going to blame possession of evil demons or seek out specialists in mental health?


Well God created us in his image, means we all have the mind of God. I believe that he created us with the same yearning for perfection that we can be.

God created us to better ourselves and to use our minds to help ourselves.

I don't define myself to anyone one religion as I am not religious however christian scientists believe in science and God.

So I know its possible.

I don't dismiss any medical doctor's help.


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Well God created us in his image, means we all have the mind of God. I believe that he created us with the same yearning for perfection that we can be.

God created us to better ourselves and to use our minds to help ourselves.

I don't define myself to anyone one religion as I am not religious however christian scientists believe in science and God.

So I know its possible.

I don't dismiss any medical doctor's help.


edit: we can be in the pursuit of perfection


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Maybe asking it a different way might help:

How old, in your view, is the world, Supra?

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Well God created us in his image...


yet...

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I am not religious...


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I just wanna talk about science which much of it can be explained by God...


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So lets not talk about religion.


yet...

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From my beliefs as you know God created the universe in 6 days...


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Take us home OP:

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Why can't/don't want scientists want to show/prove that a higher power does not exist?


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Look at our brain and optical nerve's


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the unborn that still have not been.


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I don't see why science to some people does not point to God/Yahweh/TOAA/Allah


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I'm convinced you're playing religious madlibs and posting it here for fun. You have the beginnings of a question, not a thesis, but a coherent question. But lord do you jump around a lot.

Sorry if this is harsh, but if your views aren't consistent, you shouldn't expect forgiving responses.


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