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Does it make sense for the Sith to have families?
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Abu-Bactr
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Does it make sense for the Sith to have families?

Would they kill their children if they are not force sinsitive? Or disown them?

Would they ever teach their own suns and daughters if they were not the strongest force users around?

Is the were concept of family against the spirit of the Sith code? I wonder how a Sith would treat his own parents after he became Sith. Especially if he comes from a loving family.

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Re: Does it make sense for the Sith to have families?

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Would they kill their children if they are not force sinsitive? Or disown them?


Hethrir (a Dark Jedi) refused to acknowledge his own son and kept him as a servant because he wasn't Force-sensitive. I'm sure a Sith would do the same.

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Would they ever teach their own suns and daughters if they were not the strongest force users around?


Probably not. At best they'd try to foist them off on someone else.

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Is the were concept of family against the spirit of the Sith code? I wonder how a Sith would treat his own parents after he became Sith. Especially if he comes from a loving family.


In SWTOR, during the Sith Inquisitor storyline the Inquisitor meets a guy who begs him/her to rescue his son (a Sith) and it's very clear he loves his son. The son by contrast shows nothing but contempt for his father because he can't use the Force.

No it really doesn't make sense for Sith to have families. The Sith's entire creed is basically "care only about yourself. Everyone else is either a tool to be used or an enemy." This is the complete opposite of being part of a family which is essentially to care about others.

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Depends if said Sith belongs to the Lost Tribe.


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Or the Knight Errant Sith family.

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The Dramaths and the Wyyrloks come to mind.


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Nadd had a family dynasty as well.


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Kresh as well.


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Why not? Granted they prolly wouldn't make great parents...


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The Emperor's Wrath comes from a long line of Sith.

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Um.... We need only look at Vitiate to get our answer lol


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Um.... We need only look at Vitiate to get our answer lol


I ain't talking about facts only. Should it make sense? Even if there were 0 Sith families which is practically the case now with the canon Big Bang.

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No, it doesn't, except strictly for survival. Better to be cynical to the fullest than half cynical and half sentimental or idealist (a type of character I absolutely despise), and fortunately Sith are generally coherent with that. That's why I like them.


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Talon sums it up quite well, in my opinion. The Sith are defined by passion, they aren't just outright evil for the sake of it. They embrace their emotions rather than discarding them as a Jedi would.

When Anakin became Darth Vader, he still intended to have a family with Padme, even if it was ultimately unsuccessful.


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Re: Does it make sense for the Sith to have families?

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Would they kill their children if they are not force sinsitive? Or disown them?


Any child is a potentially useful tool. A strong force user is a greater tool, but there is still value in others.

Do not expect it to be a *loving* family, but still.


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Talon sums it up quite well, in my opinion. The Sith are defined by passion, they aren't just outright evil for the sake of it.


In my opinion that's a load of honk. Sith are defined by hate and selfishness. How many times do we see Sith going out of their way to help people?

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Talon They embrace their emotions rather than discarding them as a Jedi would.


Correction; they embrace their base negative emotions like hate and rage only. How many times have we seen Sith embrace joy? Or compassion? Or hope? How many times have we seen Sith who are happy, truly happy?

Never. It's always hate and anger with them.

Also there are plenty of Jedi who embrace their emotions in a normal, healthy way. Luke Skywalker's Order for example.

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When Anakin became Darth Vader, he still intended to have a family with Padme, even if it was ultimately unsuccessful.


Yeah, when he first turned. We've seen that as time goes by they become ever more corrupt and selfish.

Heck, Malgus did love Elena but in such a warped fashion that he killed her. That's not exactly the peak of emotional health, is it?

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Any child is a potentially useful tool. A strong force user is a greater tool, but there is still value in others.

Do not expect it to be a *loving* family, but still.


Again, see Hethrir. Kept his son as a servant but refused to acknowledge him as his child. He even said "our son deserved no acknowledgement."

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In my opinion that's a load of honk. Sith are defined by hate and selfishness. How many times do we see Sith going out of their way to help people?


When did I claim they did?


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Correction; they embrace their base negative emotions like hate and rage only.


In my opinion that's a load of honk.

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How many times have we seen Sith embrace joy? Or compassion? Or hope?


You mentioned Malgus below for compassion? Joy? I think Palps was pretty damn happy when he became the Emperor of the galaxy.

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Heck, Malgus did love Elena but in such a warped fashion that he killed her. That's not exactly the peak of emotional health, is it?


Never said it would be a healthy relationship, in fact I clearly said otherwise. To prove my point, Malgus did for a long time consider starting a family with Eleema after the war.

Hell, there are plenty of Sith that did have lovers and/or families. Vectivus being the obvious example. But even the most hateful Sith also felt compassion--Maul loved his brother. Treated him like shit, but that's not really the point.

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In my opinion that's a load of honk. Sith are defined by hate and selfishness. How many times do we see Sith going out of their way to help people?


If they think it'll help them later they will.

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Again, see Hethrir. Kept his son as a servant but refused to acknowledge him as his child. He even said "our son deserved no acknowledgement."


Sure, but different Sith have different standards.


A smarter Sith may know you can turn a non-force user into a Theron Shan.

The One Sith turned their non-force users into secret agents and assassins, who thought like sith and followed their ways, just without the power of the force.


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It's always been my head-canon that the more you delve to the Dark-side, you start to abandon even primal urges like sexual attraction.


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Sidious had a 3 eyed prostitute, Vitiate screwed a ghost, and Plagueis impregnated several females of a variety of species. Your argument is invalid...


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