Why isn't it 616 Doom? It's the Dr. Doom from the relative future, but only a few years in the future from Secret Wars AND from 616 continuity. Indeed, that Dr. Doom is from the past if we look at it from here from Fantastic Four #288.
Dr. Doom is in the body of the poor guy he Ovoid Mind Transferred into after Terrax and Silver Surfer destroyed his original body. Secret Wars II Beyonder sends him back to participate in Secret Wars and at the end of Secret Wars, Beyonder banishes him back to the "present." Which Reed himself, reminds him to do so to close the time loop, IIRC. That Doom was from 616 continuity. He participated in the original Secret Wars, and he was sent back from it with his memory intact.
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We slightly disagree here I think,
there are a few details, yet, we may be saying the same thing.
The mind/spirit of 616 Doom was in the old man,
the Doom in Secret Wars was a future alternate of Doom,
that should not have existed, but did because of what Beyonder did in #288.
Originally, 616 present Doom did not participate in Secret Wars,
that was a non-existent future-self of Doom placed in the War by the Beyonder.
You're right, it is Doom from the future, but for that very reason it's not 616 Doom,
as you know,
every representation of future/time of 616 is located in a separate alternate reality,
until said time within 616 is reached, to determine if said future/time turned out,
until then, every future is just a possible alternate. (thus their alternate reality location)
This is why the loop occurred,
when time reached the point from where Beyonder took Doom,
the time stream could not move forward, and instead was on the brink of collapse,
because there was no Doom in the future to begin with,
therefore Beyonder manipulated that future Doom's existence.
Then Beyonder transfered 616 Doom's spirit/mind back to it's proper place,
then Beyonder sent the 616 transfered Doom back to the original Secret Wars,
in order for 616 Doom to now become the character in Secret Wars,
then Beyonder sped up time, Secret Wars reached the present, and Doom was back.
So yea, I agree with you if this is what you mean, basically Beyonder re-wrote time,
so that the original 616 Doom could participate in Secret Wars.
But I was referring to the facts before Beyonder fixed everything.
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Last edited by Mr Master on Sep 12th, 2008 at 05:09 PM
I don't believe Doom ever transferred into an old man. If you mean something different, you'll have to clarify. This orange-haired fellow is the guy he Ovoid Mind Transferred into (an innocent bystander) when Terrax and Silver Surfer destroyed Dr. Doom's original body:
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I don't know what you're referring to. I don't remember there being a "before Beyonder fixed everything." That's how it always was. Yes, you end up with a chicken-egg-chicken-egg conundrum, but that happens all the time in comic books. The Dr. Doom that was blinked onto that ship at the very beginning of Secret Wars was always the Dr. Doom from Fantastic Four #288 unless there is something I'm missing. I don't remember there being a non-existent future-self of Doom before the FF #288 Dr. Doom.
I think it fits in with the theory of the 616 versions of things being more powerful - this version of the Beyonder and IG seemed to be much weaker than the 616 versions