No, I thought you were refering to a 'on ' battle between SS adn MMH. I was adressing the fact that SM has some good showings of shrugging off MMH's TP, even though he is not really immune to it.
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Too bad for you, the "argument" (if you can call it as such) of Cosmic King being from another "universe" does not hold up, For the SEVERAL things I have pointed out before, but since I know, some people have limits in understanding specially Time travel. I will point out something else IN HOPES you may catch it.
The series of Absolute Power, happen BEFORE infinte crisis, therefore there was only ONE UNIVERSE in DC, Sorry pal, no Universe 2, 3, 4, 5 in DC before that time ONLY Alternative time lines.
Not that it needs explaining , because ALTERNATE TIME LINES explians itself. and based on your argument , every time line will form a universe, You are aware this is not the JLA cartoon of paralel earths right. According to you every event will form a "NEW UNIVERSE", wrong, because otherwise there will be more that 52 universes in the Orery of worlds. So hoperfully you can get in your head. DC is not Marvel and every action or event will not form a new universe, but a different time line in the same universe.
Anyhow it is hopeless for me to actually hope you can understan this, but it does not matter because as PROOF, there was no other universes in DC at the time of absolute power
Sorry for the but hurt
SO?
No is not, Hulk generates more Gamma radiation the angrier He gets, Superman RETAINS more energy based on his stress level DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE?
GENERATES IS NOT = TO RETAINS
While SS will be trying to suck Superman, Superman will be fighting back to not get energy drain. He has defenses vs draining and it has been shown. Depending on his stress level.
Hulk gets angrier He generates more energy which in turn SS absorbs more and therefore becomes stronger in an endless cycle in which Hulk eventually is going to loose unless He fills the SS beyond his capabilities, which I think is not happening anytime soon.
SS tries to pull the same on SM, SM just RETAINS IT. Plain and Simple
Please all mighty, explain me then on your infinite wisdom WHY WHITE BOLTS ARE COMMING OUT FROM A RED SUN FROM THE HANDS OF FELIX FAUST?
False dichotomy laced with hypocrisy, stop naming all the tactics you use buddy
Well since you only saw what you wanted to see, and you probably did not read the whole issue, Superman was getting depowered slowly by Polaris. The scan you saw was only two pages of 2 issues and He was trying to HELP Polaris, So, really, the Stress factor was really low, Fighting Polaris will not cause the same stress as fighting SBP. Plus I have do not recall SS being the magnetic field of earth like Polaris. I could be wrong but I do not remember this in any of my SS comics.
Also is pretty much well know that a Superman Issue in which Byrne is involved is pretty much going to have low balling feats for Superman
And please get this
Silver Surfer energy manipulation powers gives him an edge onto exploiting Superman's explicit weakness. I am aware of that. I question how effective this solar manipulation could be, even if He knew this weaknesses. Based on all the evidence I have presented you. I believe the advantage is almost null.
I question how effective they could be, because I know SS is not Triumph amped with 5th dimensional imp magick (which by the way did not syphon Superman instantly) and SS is not Dr. Polaris as I do not recall ever seen SS having the electromagnetic powers on par with Dr. Polaris.
And I said Black hole thinking also on evidence that Superman also gets power from other sources other than yellow sunlight. But it could be something else as long as it keeps him away from any energy source
On top of that SS is not detecting anything based on his "CA"
The examples which Ambient gave clearly forgot the FACT and the SCANS that SS KNEW the plan all along thanks to the outrider (Oclin) and that is why SS was looking for Iridian, there was no "CA" involved on the defeat of the Uni-lord, but plain strategy and brains
753 example of SS draining Hulk as proof that SS can detect weaknesses thanks to his "CA" also ommits the FACT that on TTA # 93 :
While HULK is UNCONCIOUS, SS mind probes the HULK, and finds out that Hulk has large ammounts of Gamma radiation in his body. So this is not "CA" but raping and UNCONCIOUS HULK with ZERO mental defences with telepathy
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Don't be foolish. Before Infinite Crisis you had plenty of DC alternate universe stories, Kingdom Come, JLA: The Nail, etc. Heck, you even had the Superman from Whatever Happened To the Man of Tomorrow traveling through time in the exact storyline, Absolute Power. Trying to pretend that there was absolutely no DC alternate universe before Infinite Crisi is idiotic. Good job not reading Superman/Batman #18. Yeah. There were. Too bad you didn't read Superman/Batman #18. I'm sorry it was so easy for me to completely dispel your entire argument on this point by simply posting one panel. Not my fault you were so eager to argue in absolutes. You are forgiven for your craptastic butt-hurt.
Think for a minute. Change of pace, I know. I see the difference that Hulk's powerset in this case is superior to Superman's.
No kidding. Madder Hulk gets, stronger Hulk gets. Madder Superman gets, same strength Superman gets... unless it's blocked or sucked away. Superman, among other Kryptonians, has had his yellow sunlight drained. I understand that Superman is fighting against it. Same as Hulk has fought against it.
Silver Surfer has never absorbed Hulk's gamma radiation into his own body. He just takes it away.
Like all the times that Kryptonians have had their yellow sunlight sucked away by foes less formidable than Silver Surfer. Don't be a retard. I hope you've read enough Superman comics to understand that Superman having his yellow sunlight sucked away is a very viable tactic. I couldn't care less that you won't admit it, because it's obvious your butt-hurt would subsume you entirely before you doing so.
Infinite wisdom is not required to explain that you need only read Faust's words to understand that he simply summoned Rao's flames. I have never once referenced Polaris. How ironic that you are refering to instances of proof supporting my own arguments that I haven't even thought of. You are really good at debating aren't you? IDLI, IDH doesn't justify your hypocritical attitude. Kindly, stfu and read more comics. And I understand your belief is predicated on butt-hurt that makes you believe that Superman can depower Silver Surfer with heat vision. I completely find your disbelief to be not dubious at all or sourced in rampant bleeding butt-hurt. You can question how butt-hurt you are. Even Starfire was absorbing the yellow sunlight from Kryptonians.
And you are an idiot for thinking that red sunlight or energy absorption only works when Superman is in a blackhole. A complete idiot. So Silver Surfer actually using his cosmic senses to comprehend Hulk's vulnerabilities is evidence that he cannot use his cosmic senses to comprehend a foe's weaknesses? Are you f@cking stupid? No wait... let me rephrase that:
Team 1 wins. It doesn't even matter if you think Team 2 is overall more powerful (They're not) as in this scenario Thor will use most of his capabilities.
^ That's exactly what he's tried to argue: Canon? Canonicity only has to do with the mainstream universe. We are specifically dealing with a non-mainstream universe character transmuting kryptonite. And it has happened before on-panel. Too bad you didnt read Superman/Batman #18.
That was one of the dumbest straw-mans I have ever seen. Keep your arguments straight. You keep pretending that Superman's stress levels prevent anybody from stealing or blocking Superman's powers. That isn't the case. Ever. Not once. Neither has it been the case with Hulk, whose stress levels correlate to an exponential increase in power. It never prevented the Surfer from simply stripping it away from Hulk.Corrected. That scene, still has nothing to do with the scenes where Surfer simply stripped Hulk's power away. When Surfer wants to absorb Superman's power into his own body to break through Galactus' barrier, then you can bring that scene up. Until then, it still has nothing to do with the argument at hand. If you think Polaris or Starfire's energy absorption capabilities are superior to Surfer, you are a f@cking idiot.
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Dodging the question
Well unlike you I read comics and I know certains instances which may affect my argument at least I don't claim
"Silver Surfer has never absorbed Hulk's gamma radiation into his own body. He just takes it away"
Or I don't say Superman cannot never ever ever be drained, because that will make me look like you
The argument in which you bring a single measly scan? Of SS saying I have the power? Talk about Hypocrits who accuse me of basing my arguments on a single scan
Yes GENERIC KRYPTONIANS used as canon fodder in a PLOT
BRAVO, GREAT ARGUMENT.
Not in a black hole, as I explained before I used the black hole as a bad example, most likelly a place in which He cannot gatter any energy.
And SS did not detected any weaknesses on HULK, HE SAW THEM when He mind raped a unconciuos Hulk.
You should watch your language, it seems you are getting upset
What question? That Faustus doesn't play up any magical imbuing of Rao's flames or that your butt-hurt prevents you from seeing the truth? Except for Superman/Batman #18.
So you admit Superman can be drained. Good job wasting several posts that pretend he couldn't. Concession accepted. Like your single measly scans that are completely taken out of context suffice to imbue your butt-hurt sentiments with worth? Ha.
Right. Your IDLI, IDH =/= PIS. I'm sorry that Starfire sucked yellow sunlight from Kryptonians. I'm sorry it makes your butt bleed more profusely. Seriously, good job admitting your initial statement was f@cking stupid. IN any case, red sun radiation has been used in areas where he has been able to gather energy. Try reading comics. So SS using cosmic senses in order to comprehend vulnerabilities is evidence that he cannot use cosmic senses to comprehend a foe's vulnerabilities. Don't be f@cking stupid. Nice deflection. I understand that the only thing you are left to grasp upon is my abrasive language since every single one of your idiotic arguments has been rebutted fully. Go ahead. Ride it for all it's worth. Also, you can pretend that you're the first one to do so.
No sh1t, sherlock. It's exactly what I've been proving to you the entire time. You can straw-man my arguments as ABC logic all you like. In any event, you do admit it has worked and can work. Don't be a retard. You have Kingdom Come, and JLA: The Nail, and Superman: Red Son... f@ck... that Superman from Whatever Happened to the Man From Tomorrow that showed up in Absolute Power was from a different universe. Read comics. Too bad you didn't read Superman/Batman #18. SS using his cosmic senses to detect Hulk's weaknesses is an example of SS not being able to use his cosmic senses to detect weaknesses in a foe? How dumb can you get? Is your butt bleeding that much that you can't admit that you literally proved Ambient's arguments against you? Ride that one for all it's worth. BTW, it's worth? Nothing. Particularly when considering your arguments that Superman cannot be drained by Silver Surfer. If anything, it proves the opposite. Try staying on point.
I'm sorry that your main arguments that red sunlight doesn't affect Superman unless he's in a black hole or that alternate universe characters can never transmute kryptonite that hurt Superman were completely destroyed. I never put those words into your mouth. I just posted the scans and arguments that made you eat those arguments. Have a nice day. Chew before you swallow.
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That is what you think?
Poor delisuonal boy, you proved nothing. In any case a person with half a brain will realize that SS cannot detect weaknesses.
He can brain scan someone unconcios and find out that they have large ammounts of gamma radiation. THATS IT
There has never been someone from another universe transmutationg Kryptonite. Cosmic King is not from another Universe is from a different timeline that it got destroyed. but you are too stupid to understand that.
Solar radiation, yes that gives an edge to Surfer, but Superman is not = HULK so stop with the delution
And that scan with the girl falls into the same category of ABC
And Red sunlight does affect Superman but not in the ways you think, that He become completelly powerless as soon as he is in a red solar system. You just do not know that, because you lack the knowledge of this things.
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