[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Dave Filoni confirmed in a recent ForceCast interview that the Witches of Dathomir don't really use the Force according to George. Filoni says he thinks there's some sort of connection, like a corruption of the energy field, but George says it's distinct.
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Okay, so what's wrong with magic in Star Wars?
"Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff - but I've never seen ANYTHING to make me believe that there's ONE all-powerful Force controlling EVERYTHING. No mystical energy field controls MY destiny. It's all simple tricks and nonsense."
I believe it's possible that there are strange "stuff" to be had in Star Wars Land. ie: magic/supernatural/unexplainable happenings...unless Han is right and it's all simple tricks and nonsense. But, he WAS wrong about the Force.
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Magic was FIRST introduced in Star Wars Land in 1985 in the Ewoks cartoon. They had shamans and witches using the stuff.
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It's not the presence of a mystical-energy-field kind of magic that's irksome--that wouldn't make any sense then, since 1977--but rather it's the privileges many writers have taken with the Force. It's changed from that strange, enchanting mysterious power that a select few could wield and only with years of training, in to a tool that pretty much half the named characters in the mythos have some control over. Did you know even BoShek was Force Sensitive? It's no longer an oddity "magic" amongst Sci-Fi where lifting a ship or performing a one-story somersault were impressive displays power, but instead has taken on a semblance to the kind of magic one would expect from Lord of the Rings, or Harry Potter, or many various "Fantasy" genres. Teleportation, time traveling, alchemy, rituals, spells, relics etc. Now you can argue all day that "well, technically, Star Wars is just so fictional that even the technology is fantasy" til your blue in the face, but it misses the point. Star Wars was always a futuristic, technological wonderland with that dash of fantasical "Force".
No it seems with every new release there's some new wunderkind with Dragonball Z powers, or some new species or group with with some awesome Force power. As you said, even the freaking Ewoks had people casting spells. There is literally within Star Wars a branch of the supernatural apart from the Force called Magic.
It's just a disappointing change that slowly permeated over the years.
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I blame the comics mostly. That medium necessitates flashy powers and glowing auras. Allows for more visual freedoms that unfortunately have thrown the once tame/humble power of mystic warriors out of whack.
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Diffrent question. How do you guy all feel about the power level of some of these characters such as Starkiller and Nihilus? Personnaly I hate it.
I prefered SW having "weaker" force powers. Like when ESB was priginally released, Yoda lifting the X-wing was awesome and powerful. Now such a feat is laughed at by guys who rip apart stars and lay waste to planets... with their minds. Meh.
That's one of my main beefs. Aside from literal magic, the previously established nature of the Force has been taken to ridiculous heights by the video-games and comics. Lightning should have been the ultimate evil power, but now every Tom, Dick, and Stanley can do it. And change the color too!
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I don't mind power levels so much as the outlandishness of their powers. As already mentioned, things like making solid shapes out of "dark side energy", weird rituals and the like, they all kinda just suck.
But on the other hand I don't mind escalations of powers that we see in the movies. Like telekinesis, for example. We saw Yoda lifting multi-ton objects, so I don't mind seeing Luke, who really should be one of the strongest, if not the strongest character in the entire mythos, lifting, say, an entire capital ship. It's a natural progression of the ability. Seeing Vader choke someone from lightyears away doesn't really bother me, or seeing someone like Sideous use a particularly lethal dose of lightning.
In fact I actually appreciate things like that because something that's always bothered me about the movies is how little Lucas went out of his way to establish the power hierarchy in the movies. Through implied ability and logic we assume that Yoda and Mace being at the top of the order means they're the strongest, and by default Sideous must be that strong as well. But going purely be movie feats and only movie feats, it's incredibly hard to gauge each person's power level in relation to others.
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