Superlaser technology was around well before the DS; it's basically a giant compound turbolaser. The DS novel states that the primary challenge was making the hypermatter reactor. And as I stated, but as you seem to ignore, the beaurocracy was what hindered the DS the most; the second, far larger one was built to 60% completion in 6 months...and it was behind scedule!
And it's hilarious how you feel the need to say that "we're done" professionally
because you cannot understand or rationalize why the CIS has serious plans to
build a death star if, by your logic, they wouldn't be able to until they've
already won. Why make hardcopies of plans, plans that can be used as
propaganda against you if captured, of something that you will not be able to
make until after the war is done?
And elaborating on the superlaser problem, Mon Montha mentioned that the DS
superlaser is the largest ever created, not that it is the first.
And please, rebut my points instead of restating your position again. Explain:
Why the CIS would make hard copies of something they supposedly would not he able to build in time to be relevant for the war
Why you feel that the CIS lacks the tech to make superlasers when such weapons are old news in SW
Why you feel that the 19 year timeframe applies when the main time consumer was heavily implied to be the bureaucracy
But hey, we're getting off topic here.
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Urm. I really have to ask, if you did even read the "Death Star" novel, because it clearly states, that the superlaser beams consists of exotic matter, converting energy from the hypermatter reactor (aka energy from hyperspace) into beams that were highly destructive in real space. Which means, that they have precisely nothing to do with common turbolaser technology.
And it's great that you list the design of the hypermatter reactor as main problem, and then take the second Death Star (obviously the reactor design was present after constructing the first) as example that they could do it faster. And in fact, building the superweapon was the main problem. This is why they had a team of the most brilliant minds in the Galaxy working on this problem at the Maw Installation (see "Jedi Academy trilogy"), even building a prototype Death Star in the process. I doubt that they did that, because they already were capable of building the station.
That aside: Given that they even used civilian transports to get the material to Endor (see "Shadows of the Empire"), I doubt that less beaurocracy was involved in the construction of the second Death Star compared to the first, especially since we see the outer frame construction taking place at the end of "Revenge of the Sith" already. Not even pointing out that we're dealing with an Empire here and not with your regular technocratic government.
Obviously, you don't get the point.
You can make plans about anything without being able to realize them, even things that could potentially be used against you. Hitler obviously made plans about conquering Russia, without being able to do the job. And as you mention "propaganda" already: Why would anybody believe the Republic officials, if said plans would ever have been stolen and published? There would have been no hard evidence to link them to the CIS anyway.
And you're still ignorant to the facts: Immediately after the war, Sidious was in control of both Republic and CIS resources. Why didn't he built a Death Star in the matter of months, if - as you think - the CIS alone would have been capable of doing so?
To be prepared when they have the ability to built the thing or to work towards gaining said ability. Holy shit. Did you never make a plan featuring something you weren't capable of before you made the plan? So you never planned to learn anything?
Old news? Last time I checked the history of SW weapon tech, the first superlasers appeared in 29 BBY, just eight years, before the first plans for the Death Star were made. And, as I said above, it was a brand new technology. So you suppose they can gain complete control over this in that rather short amount of time? Appears to be a little bit odd to me. Especially, given the fact that even improved hypermatter reactors were prone to (lethal) malfunctions, despite the fact, that this technique was around much longer.
So, obviously, their problem was that new technology, which is why they had those aforementioned scientists working on the issue and had them build a prototype to test the - newly developed - weapon / reactor.
What bureaucracy? We're talking about a freaking Empire, a form of government coined by the idea that one person gives orders, which are carried out. If Sidious said "built me a Death Star", then people would have done so. Apparently, they simple weren't capable of carrying out his commands that fast, because they lacked the knowledge to do so. There is - sorry to say that - no other explanation that makes sense in context of the rule of the Emperor, especially not "bureaucracy".
"Step aside before I push you to the ground and go to the bathroom on you."
Aside from pilot quality due to the GA's strong piloting tradition, you have late-model XJ X-Wings, E-wings, Eta-5s, Alephs, etc. (or if you're talking late enough on, Crossfires and Twintails) against a fighter force that is still mostly TIE fighters with Interceptors starting to be phased in.
Even average pilots will do very well in that environment.
Genonosian workers were already constructing the DS by the time of RotS, according to the usually reliable wookieepedia.
Not from wookieepedia; Inside the Worlds confirms that the Republic and various TF corps helped fund the DS project.
And yes; I did read the DS novel, and no, hypermatter is nothing new in SW. According to both the novel and the SW database, the superlaser is a serious of giant laser cannons amplified by some sort of focal point.
Does the GA have the Jedi Order? If they do, then it's a whole new ball game due to a fully trained Luke who is more than a match for Palpatine and Vader. If we're talking about LoTF, then the other game changer is Darth Caedus.
__________________ Gafflwn Dihenydd O’r fuddugol yn wiriol sydd, Ni fydd neb yn ein drechu, Falch ydy ni I drochu, Traed o flaen I’r Annwn, mewn y gwybodaeth fe godwn ni."
One hundred Jedi with questionable training will not topple a galaxy-spanning regime in conventional warfare. The 10,000 Jedi of the Old Republic were unable to do so against the CIS, why would substantially less Jedi succeed here?
You're missing a vital component to this equation.
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: I was trying to think of something witty that rhymed with "ancient Sith meditation sphere that augmented Force powers exponentially and enables the pilot to initiate supernovas," but I'm creatively bankrupt at this point.
Revan's gamechanging trait was his military genius, not Force powers.
Massassi? Jedi converts?
Battle meditation, a technique that Palpatine has mastered to an uncommon level?
Palpatine is an exception, not a rule. But even he isn't invincible.
I don't. I acknowledge the powers and abilities of the upper-tier. But the Galactic Empire's troops number in the quintillions and their ships in the millions. One hundred Jedi ain't gonna carve that shit up.
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Because the new Jedi order doesn't, to my knowledge, have access to that sort of Force-enhancing technology.
Revan's powers, while hardly insignificant, were not the primary reason for his success. It was his intellect that made him a galactic-level player. Who among the new Jedi order has demonstrated that level of military genius?
Right, but Kun wasn't exactly a step away from conquering the galaxy, either.
It can turn the tide of entire battles and, if the battle is critical enough, potentially the war.
Luke's abilities as a combatant and duelist are not in question.
His abilities as a fleet-destroyer or strategic genius are, however.
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I'm not talking about just the Jedi Order.
Forgive my presumption, but Revan's military genius added not one inch to her defeat of Malak's Sith Empire. It was her devestation of the Sith heirachy and the destruction of the Star Forge that did that.
Dude walked into the most heavily gaurded place on the planet without pause like he owned the place and hel the entire senate hostage. Without the Jedi Force DeathStaring his planet, I really doubt the Republic could have stopped him.
Glad you agree.
Pssah! Luke could use his mighty Black Hole powers and fvcking own teh shit out of a fleet easily 111!!!one!
But I was.
You responded with a list of irrelevant figures in the mythos operating under different circumstances and equipped with different weapons. Naturally, I dismantled all of them and left you with nothing. If you have the means by which to make your case for Luke's fledgling order, feel free. If not, good day sir!