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Revan's place among the Elite Force Users
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Tzeentch
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i didnt ask for this


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Do you expect me to not argue back?

Though really my reluctance simply comes from the poor argument against it. Nothing so far has been particularly compelling that Kreia is wrong.

Indeed. Because of the limits on world-building found in conventional narrative (as opposed to dedicated world-building a la Tolkien, wherein every passing observation is followed by several pages of poetry, history, and metaphysical contemplation) we have to look at what the author of the piece was intending with any given scene. For example, the conversation with Tobin on the Ravager is one that is clearly meant to be the buildup/announcement/reveal of N.'s true nature. That he is a fallible source does not erase his testimony. I suspect that you will agree, RevanSpoilers, based on your usage of that quote from Avellone.


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For example, the conversation with Tobin on the Ravager is one that is clearly meant to be the buildup/announcement/reveal of N.'s true nature. That he is a fallible source does not erase his testimony. I suspect that you will agree, RevanSpoilers, based on your usage of that quote from Avellone.


I think that this is an argument that is routinely abused and misapplied by those among us who favor specific characters over others. For example, a poster might be inclined to accept Tobin's testimony as the gospel truth and might justify it by similar, if not identical reasoning: His words are clearly intended to reflect the intent of the author and, to an extent, the official stance of the Lucas media empire. But when the historians of the New Republic come along and declare that a certain Sith Lord whose title isn't Nihilus is the most powerful Sith ever in The New Essential Chronology, that same poster seems equally inclined to toss it in the garbage heap.

My personal belief is that we need to apply the same scrutiny and standards to all fallible sources and their testimony and not give sources that we like a free pass.

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At the bottom, like always.

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ARE YOU REALLY ASKING THIS?!

Are you really asking this question?! Revan is descirbed as the most powerful jedi of his time. He's in the top ten EASY!!!! Any one who says that he's lower than the top twenty is CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! mad

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I don't really see him as all that powerful. After all, he was taken out of commission by just two blasts of lightning from a sith who was done in by a completely random Jedi Knight..

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Which is a terrible argument considering this random Jedi knight is said to be uber powerful. Plus, it's an MMO. If you watch the Jedi knight ending, you'll see that single powerful blast of force lightning took out 3-4 Jedi masters simultaneously.


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I don't really see him as all that powerful. After all, he was taken out of commission by just two blasts of lightning from a sith who was done in by a completely random Jedi Knight..

I don't really see Darth Sidious as all that powerful. After all, he was taken out of commission by a smuggler Han Solo and a Jedi freak named Empatojayos Brand. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Seriously?

Now watch this:



Does this looks like normal burst of Force Lightning to you?

Drew described his power as a swirling storm of pure dark side energy.

And not to forget that Lord Vitiate is stated to be capable of unleashing full power of the dark side.

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Lord Vitiate is stated to be capable of unleashing full power of the dark side.
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Which is a terrible argument


Is it just me or has the level of argumentation (esp. pertaining to this new MMO) taken a nosedive?


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I don't really see Darth Sidious as all that powerful. After all, he was taken out of commission by a smuggler Han Solo and a Jedi freak named Empatojayos Brand. roll eyes (sarcastic)



Well he was dying at the time from his body degenerating under his own power.


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Well he was dying at the time from his body degenerating under his own power.

He was still strong enough to defeat Leia and kill Ysanna.

However, he has been put out of commission in one of the worst ways possible. The mighty Palpatine eventually falls to a smuggler and a Jedi freak with a sucky name. Who would have thunk it.

Coming back to the real point:

Pay attention to the statement of truejedi. It is utterly baseless. The manner in which he put it undermines the capabilities of both Lord Vitiate and Revan.

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Is it just me or has the level of argumentation (esp. pertaining to this new MMO) taken a nosedive?

No, such a statement is coming from the novel.

Lord Vitiate is stated to have unleashed the full power of the dark side on Planet Nathema.

He did it again against T3-M4, shattering it in to a million pieces in an instant.

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I like your continual use of [b]Lord[/b[ Vitiate, as if he's some real person your referring to. It's not comical in the slightest.


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What is wrong with using the term Lord here? It is similar in the sense of Lord Kas'im, Lord Kaan, Lord Scourge blah blah.

It is one of terms associated with names of Sith Lords in Star Wars mythos like Darth.

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He was still strong enough to defeat Leia and kill Ysanna.

However, he has been put out of commission in one of the worst ways possible. The mighty Palpatine eventually falls to a smuggler and a Jedi freak with a sucky name. Who would have thunk it.

Coming back to the real point:

Pay attention to the statement of truejedi. It is utterly baseless. The manner in which he put it undermines the capabilities of both Lord Vitiate and Revan.


I know. Quite impressive is it not, to be capable of such feats when moments from death?

And Malgus got beaten by 4 smugglers while in perfect condition. LOL!

I think truejedi was trying to undermine those two actually.


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I know. Quite impressive is it not, to be capable of such feats when moments from death?

Certainly. He was not dying though. His clone body was getting ravaged by his immense power and he needed a new one.

However, the manner in which he has been put out is a disgrace to his reputation in my opinion. He deserved better.

Revan has been put out in a respectful manner.

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And Malgus got beaten by 4 smugglers while in perfect condition. LOL!

LOL! The beauty of game. big grin

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I think truejedi was trying to undermine those two actually.

Yes. This is my intended point.

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I don't really see Darth Sidious as all that powerful. After all, he was taken out of commission by a smuggler Han Solo and a Jedi freak named Empatojayos Brand. roll eyes (sarcastic)


Jesus Christ do you have any clue what was happening during said comic?


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He's just being glib. To be honest he's not actually wrong here. TJ ignored the circumstances about Vitiates death, as did LeGenD.


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Jesus Christ do you have any clue what was happening during said comic?

Yes, I have. I intended to make truejedi realize the absurdity of his claim with this example.

It is easy to undermine characters with our narrations, if we exclude valid details from them.

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Sure, but what circumstances were involved with Vitate's death?


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Sure, but what circumstances were involved with Vitate's death?

Hint: Scourge

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