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Captain Marvel vs Hal Jordan

Caps Marvel from DC!Both at best and peak who takes this how and why?

Jun 30th, 2012 09:33 PM

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Hal Jordan.

One of his toughest fights ever, but his willpower at his peak (I'm assuming both are post crisis, otherwise Hal stomps) is enough to overcome almost anyone imo.

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Jun 30th, 2012 10:27 PM

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Cap.

Because of the reason given in Red Son. Yes, Hal has auto shields, but imo Cap can break those defenses and take out Hal before he gets a chance to will amp.

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Hal Jordan.

One of his toughest fights ever, but his willpower at his peak (I'm assuming both are post crisis, otherwise Hal stomps) is enough to overcome almost anyone imo.

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Cap.

Because of the reason given in Red Son. Yes, Hal has auto shields, but imo Cap can break those defenses and take out Hal before he gets a chance to will amp.

Red Son is a non canon Superman centered story. Just as Hal describes how he could beat the entire Justice League, when a story is centered around a chacter their power level tends to increase. This is Hal at his peak. He's not getting speed blitzed into oblivion.

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Jun 30th, 2012 10:53 PM

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He's not getting speed blitzed into oblivion.

Yes, he is.

Red Son being non canon is irrelevant to my point. Cap operates on a vastly different speed level. Hal's weakness, is that he still thinks at the speed of a human, while Cap operates on the level of a high end speedster.

Jun 30th, 2012 11:05 PM

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Yes, he is.

Red Son being non canon is irrelevant to my point. Cap operates on a vastly different speed level. Hal's weakness, is that he still thinks at the speed of a human, while Cap operates on the level of a high end speedster.

Again, this is both characters at their peak.

The ring can protect Hal.

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Jun 30th, 2012 11:13 PM

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That's from The Last Will and Testament of Hal Jordan. And also not Hal Jordan fighting them.

Peak capacity applies to Cap too. In which case, he'll be using super speed.

Jun 30th, 2012 11:16 PM

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That's from The Last Will and Testament of Hal Jordan. And also not Hal Jordan fighting them.

Peak capacity applies to Cap too. In which case, he'll be using super speed.

The point was the capabilities of the Ring. You can't really use Hal's mortality against him when he's got a power ring on his finger. And Hal has fought super speedsters before.

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Jun 30th, 2012 11:22 PM

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The point was the capabilities of the Ring. You can't really use Hal's mortality against him when he's got a power ring on his finger. And Hal has fought super speedsters before.

The rings powerful. But Hal still isn't a speedster.

He can certainly make constructs or use attacks that can keep up with a speedster. And he could probably use his ring to amp his stats, the same way Guy used his to amp his physical stats.

But at base levels, he still has a humans reflexes. Sorry, but under forum rules, and without any PIS, speed kills...

Jun 30th, 2012 11:27 PM

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Hal's got ranged capabilities, incredible defensive maneuvers, and a wealth of versatility to call upon here and the will power to back it all up.

Billy beats him up 10/10.

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Again, this is both characters at their peak.

The ring can protect Hal.

I guess being delusional helps with willpower.

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Hal's got ranged capabilities, incredible defensive maneuvers, and a wealth of versatility to call upon here and the will power to back it all up.

Billy beats him up 10/10.

I see what you did there

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The rings powerful. But Hal still isn't a speedster.

He can certainly make constructs or use attacks that can keep up with a speedster. And he could probably use his ring to amp his stats, the same way Guy used his to amp his physical stats.

But at base levels, he still has a humans reflexes. Sorry, but under forum rules, and without any PIS, speed kills...

I'll go with this.

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The rings powerful. But Hal still isn't a speedster.

He can certainly make constructs or use attacks that can keep up with a speedster. And he could probably use his ring to amp his stats, the same way Guy used his to amp his physical stats.

But at base levels, he still has a humans reflexes. Sorry, but under forum rules, and without any PIS, speed kills...

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