Vader is above Dooku as per canon sources. And how can you have Mace Windu without Vaapad...that's an unquantifiable. Its like saying Yoda without Ataru or Dooku without Makashi. Mace is Vaapad and Vaapad is Mace as he's the only one to truly master it.
It's just that I find it difficult to quantify effectively the impact Vapaad would have on the fight, as opposed to Ataru or Soresu or whatever. I'd say just imagine Wrath is a light sider, and analyze the fight in that manner. But maybe it's easier to just let him have Vapaad for this fight.
Considering vaapad doesn't normally amp him to the levels he was at in ROTS, I don't see why it should be removed. I feel like that's what most people are referring to when they take "take vaapad out" of a fight.
He's not going to be fighting at Sidious levels with vaapad normally. Just look at his fight with Dooku where they stalemated or his fight with Ventress.
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Last edited by Trocity on Mar 13th, 2015 at 06:39 PM
I think he'll lose handily to Nox. He is a total powerhouse. That said, imo people heavily underestimate Wrath.
1. Win.
1. Win.
3. Win.
4. Win.
5. Win.
6. Win.
7. Win.
8. Win.
9. Not sure. Possible win, but it's hard to say.
10. He'd probably lose about 7/10 against Mace.
11. He'll most likely lose, but not without a good fight first.
12. Same as 11
13. Lose
14. Lose
15. Lose
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He oneshot a Jedi and multiple troopers win Tk before the Jedi could react, blitzed a Jedi that charged him, and dropped a massive slab of duracreet on a guy with a flick of a wrist. He could probably ragdoll Kenobi, I'm not sure if he could win sabers though, most likely not
In terms of skill Wrath is probably equal to Plo Koon/Mara Jade/Jaina Solo/Cade Skywalker in terms of skill. Low tier 8 duelist imo
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Last edited by carthage on Mar 14th, 2015 at 03:33 AM
I wouldn't say he's defensive. As a duelist, he beat a Knight and a Master simultaneously, defeated Nomen Carr quite handily (who was regarded as one of the best duelists in the Order), defeated Darth Baras, blitzed Jedi and troopers... Off the top of my head.