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in ROTJ why was sidious so easily defeated by Vader?
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The quote clearly proves you wrong. He was sustained by the force. Even in ROTS he was able to pick up Vader's corpse and jump to a cliff effortlessly.


how do you reconcile what the quote says, which may not be a canon source, with what was actually depicted in the movie?

if that quote is true why was sidious so easily defeated?

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how do you reconcile what the quote says, which may not be a canon source, with what was actually depicted in the movie?

if that quote is true why was sidious so easily defeated?


Distraction and it is a canon source. I believe all the source BOKKS such as that are canon.


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Distraction and it is a canon source. I believe all the source BOKKS such as that are canon.


when was that book published?

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when was that book published?


2006 and it gets updated IIRC


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2006 and it gets updated IIRC


not canon sorry.

the mystery remains how was sidious so easily defeated.

my answer - he was physically frail and weak and his powers declining due to advance age. he could easily be beaten in sabers, not force powers, by ezra or ahoska

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It's because Darth Vader is canonically the most powerful Jedi and Sith of all time.

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It's because Darth Vader is canonically the most powerful Jedi and Sith of all time.
lucas said injured vader is only 80% sidious

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"Lucas says" is no longer viable. Thank god.


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not canon sorry.

the mystery remains how was sidious so easily defeated.

my answer - he was physically frail and weak and his powers declining due to advance age. he could easily be beaten in sabers, not force powers, by ezra or ahoska


I'm sure the source books are all canon my friend. The fact files, Star Wars insider I believe can be considered canon, all the source books are valid. However choose what you will.

The actual correct answer is he was distracted. His powers didn't decline they would have increased actually. When you consider that there was plenty of knowledge inside the Jedi temple he never had access to, now that Yoda and mace are done he has complete access to study and use all the knowledge those holocrons may hold, and also with the growing empire, he could have found more dark side planets or more dark side knowledge. Sabers he wouldn't be beaten easily. That's retarded.


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"Lucas says" is no longer viable. Thank god.

Exactly. New Canon has spoken.

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I'm sure the source books are all canon my friend. The fact files, Star Wars insider I believe can be considered canon, all the source books are valid. However choose what you will.

The actual correct answer is he was distracted. His powers didn't decline they would have increased actually. When you consider that there was plenty of knowledge inside the Jedi temple he never had access to, now that Yoda and mace are done he has complete access to study and use all the knowledge those holocrons may hold, and also with the growing empire, he could have found more dark side planets or more dark side knowledge. Sabers he wouldn't be beaten easily. That's retarded.


to access jedi teachings requires tapping into the LIGHT side

which sidious cannot do.

you've just been rolling on floor laughing

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Kylo uses Jedi and Dark Side teachings. You've just been wrong. Again.

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Kylo uses Jedi and Dark Side teachings. You've just been wrong. Again.


kylo said

i feel the pulse of light.

sidious never said that in any canon source.

you just been redpilled rolling on floor laughing

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Which has nothing to do with actually using it. Wrong again.

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Which has nothing to do with actually using it. Wrong again.


how can you use what you is against your nature mad laughing

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First you start by writing in complete, coherent sentences.

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First you start by writing in complete, coherent sentences.


yoda describes how to use the force

For my ally is the Force. And a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter.


sidious cannot implement this account of the force

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to access jedi teachings requires tapping into the LIGHT side

which sidious cannot do.

you've just been rolling on floor laughing


You mean to unlock the holocrons themselves I can agree to that since in TCW they needed a Jedi to open it or something like that. I'm sure Sidious had some Jedi locked up somewhere or found a new way to open them. Also this https://youtu.be/dATuq8O3920. 1:19-1:28 Sidious knows multiple aspects of the force not just the dark side. So yea Sidious can use lightside powers. Just choses not to.


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yoda describes how to use the force

For my ally is the Force. And a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter.


sidious cannot implement this account of the force

I' sure Sidious can bs flowery language. He's done it several times before.

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You mean to unlock the holocrons themselves I can agree to that since in TCW they needed a Jedi to open it or something like that. I'm sure Sidious had some Jedi locked up somewhere or found a new way to open them. Also this https://youtu.be/dATuq8O3920. 1:19-1:28 Sidious knows multiple aspects of the force not just the dark side. So yea Sidious can use lightside powers. Just choses not to.


per yoda,

to use the light side, you must embrace it

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