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Will Kylo Ren be redeemed
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queeq
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I disagree about him terribly written. I think he's fine. He's an emo, yes, but I think he's a baddie fitting to our time. Emo's what we have a lot of these days, why not turn one into a baddie?

And yes, Kylo taking out Snoke would be the copy cat method. Again: I hope they do take SW into a fresh new direction. I don't mind the repetitions in TFA, as I consider it a soft reboot. But now they have to move on... they really do.

So, I hope they will surprise us in where these characters will go. At least they didn't kill off Kylo in the first episode. wink


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Personally, I'd prefer it if Ren gets redeemed and suffers through the consequences of his actions, just to mix it up a bit.

The idea of Anakin turning to the darkside because of some mistaken idea of saving the one he loves while ben turns to the lightside to save someone he lpves appeals to me. He's the first character in Star Wars movies who'd killed a relative. I'm kinda interested to see where it would go, and hopefully not just a copy paste of the last two trilogies.


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That is something we all hope.


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Life's unfair.


Moreso, the people and conditions in life are unfair.

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How? Who would trust him? If they'd let him live at all.


He could be on the run and save those rightful avengers from falling to the dark side he only knows too well. As I said, if he was to live, he'd make up for his crimes not live a peaceful life nor staying in prison/getting executed (which is pretty much what happened).

Think Angel from the Buffyverse, that guy was a cruel mass murderer in his time.


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Angel never chose evil; he was possessed by a force which then made him do evil things. Anakin actively chose to embrace dark forces.

You can't 'make up' for crimes of that scale. It would be exceptionally wrong for him not to face justice. The only morally acceptable outcome would be appropriate punishment, which if redeemed he would submit himself to.

Dramatically, dying is much better. That's why redemption = death; the character's story arc is dead anyway at that point.


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Indeed.


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My worst fear is that Kylo will sacrifice himself to destroy Snoke.
Mine's nuclear war, but to each his own.

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I really hope he sticks to the dark path all the way through.
Boring. We're probably gonna get that from Snoke, we don't another main character being evil through and through. Self-doubt, temptation, confusion, resistance, and te possibility for change make for interesting narratives and dynamics. Static characterization is ungodly dull.

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He's such a terribly written character right now; they need to do something to improve his storyline and motivations.
No, Anakin was a terribly written character. Kylo is a very average character. Simple direction and straight forward. Was good, went bad, fights doubts, motivation to be revealed next film. They can't blow every wad this early in the new franchise.

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Dramatically, dying is much better. That's why redemption = death; the character's story arc is dead anyway at that point.
Boromir agrees.

So does Harry Osbourne. And Snape.


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Good show!


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I hope Snoke is redeemed first. I would get really choked up.


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I bet you will...


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Perhaps Kylo will pull an Obi-Wan and live off in seclusion for the rest of his life. It'd be fitting.

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Hmmm.. another one? Luke's copied that already.


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So did Yoda.


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True... but they came up with the idea together.


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Just like they came up with the idea of completely forgetting about Leia. Point is, plans gotta change sometime.

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Ermm.... yes. The point is...?


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Kylo can go off into Exile with Luke or whatever. Plans change, and obviously aren't that well planned out anyway. Obi-Wan forgot an entire person. Like a person that contracted him directly.

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Angel never chose evil; he was possessed by a force which then made him do evil things. Anakin actively chose to embrace dark forces.


Angel does remember the pleasure he felt by inflicting pains to others, and if he truly considered himself acquited from his actions he wouldn't be pursuing redemption. Any quest for salvation assumes there is a big fault, the biggest the fault the deepest the need for expunging one's sin.

Vader's demise was "easy" in comparison.

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You can't 'make up' for crimes of that scale. It would be exceptionally wrong for him not to face justice. The only morally acceptable outcome would be appropriate punishment, which if redeemed he would submit himself to.


The saga disagrees since he was redeemed and came back as a force ghost. There wasn't any "appropiate" punishment and death was just a short punishment compared with the continued task of "making amends".

Punishment isn't always justice. If offing Anakin will end up in the galaxy being torn into war, then Anakin is responsible for the potential danger he inflicts to civilization by "giving himself" in. In that case, facing "justice" is blalantly ignoring his responsabilities and is immoral.

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Dramatically, dying is much better. That's why redemption = death; the character's story arc is dead anyway at that point.


The outcome it's ok, I'm not dissing the saga for what happened, I'm pointing out that there were other possibilities that make for engaging storytelling. It's not as if ancient mythology didn't have many stories about Fallen heros that went on living after commiting atrocities.


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Usually as blind hermits.


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