That library, the sith library on Krayis II, the pillaging of the sith worlds following the GSW, etc. So much more knowledge was lost than was "created", it's not even a question.
I'm only talking about Holocrons, as for the source:And considering they were "clever forgeries" i.e. designed to appear like the real thing, and considering that Jedi can sense the dark side and presumably access these devices, we'd assume they'd be indistinguishable in those regards, good enough to fool even Master Yoda.
But more importantly the Banite Sith had all the real ones in their possession.
Based on the above, I'm inclined to believe the Jedi then destroyed the real ones (as made clear in Battlefront II, where the Jedi began destroying the library and you had to prevent them from destroying everything, i.e. presumably what was on the pedestal). So yeah, no.
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The Ancient Sith were the originators of whatever knowledge Bane and his Sith could get their hands on. Yet, through various events in the history of the Galaxy, a tremendous amount of said knowledge was lost and destroyed. If this isn't apparent enough for you, here are those holy scriptures reiterating what I just said:
"Locked within the recesses of that Sith Holocron - the only Sith Holocron, as far as anybody knows - are the forgotten histories and lore of the Sith, dating back a hundred thousand years and more"
- Odan-Urr on the Sith Holocron he discovered on the abandoned Sith ship during the Great Hyperspace War, The Essential Guide to the Force
"King Adas's holocron was stolen during the Jedi Purge, and it seems the remaining holocrons were destroyed before Palpatine or his agents could claim them"
- Tionne Solusar, The Essential Guide through the Force
"According to records, the Sith Lord might have gained greated knowledge of their subjects from an ancient Sith library temple on Krayiss II. Apparently, this library housed Holocrons and artifacts about the Sith species, but ruins on Krayiss II have yet to be identified as a library and its collections may have long turned to dust"
- Seviss Vaa, The Essential Guide through the Force
"Perhabs the greatest loss during that period [The Great Hyperspace War] was Veeshas Tuwan an ancient Sith library on the Sith world Arkania."
- Seviss Vaa, The Essential Guide through the Force
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And of course we have Sidious hating the Jedi for laying waste to so many Sith artifacts while pointing out that Vaa doesn't...
"mention the destruction of the planet Malachor V and its Sith academy"
- Darth Sidious, The Essential Guide to the Force
Clearly the ancient Sith were mor knowledgable than the modern era's and not the other way round.
That's one reading, an alternative reading based on the fact that the only holocrons being in the Jedi's possession is false, is that this is written from the fallible perspective of said Order, who could very well have merely been convinced their holocrons were the real deal. And we only see them destroying their own Archives, not any Sith knowledge.You can't possibly claim that when you don't know how large the other storehouses were.
On the other hand what does this mean for the resurgent Sith Empire? Malachor is described as one of the many Sith strongholds abandoned at the end of the Great Hyperspace War, which includes Korriban, and as Ziggy pointed out the Jedi seemingly laid waste or otherwise raided what the left behind. So presumably there accumulated Sith knowledge would be just as lacking.
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Yes because let's just pretend that Revan, Ulic Qel-Droma, Exar Kun, Vandar, Vodo Siosk-Baas, Odan-Urr, Meetra Surik, Outlander, Barsen'thor, Satele Shan, Lucien Draay, Thon, Aryn Leneer, Wyellett, Tol-Braga, Nomi Sunrider and Jaric Kaedan aren't imptessive at all.
He does that after the shift, not prior to it.
Given the Jedi Archives have been seriously maintained since the Ruusan Reformations, I don't understand how 1,000 years > 1,000 years. Better yet, Odan-Urr had an entire 'chamber of antiquities', which was within the Great Library itself. This chamber was filled with Ancient Sith and Jedi artifacts and holocrons, so much that it had more knowledge than Exar Kun could ever possibly need.
Why are you pretending the Force Storm technique isn't originated by the ancient Sith and even documented by the Jedi in the Jedi Path?
Nihilus completely wrecked the surface of Katarr, and presumaboy the numerous other planets he destroyed, Valkorion does the same to Ziost. Neither of them are indicated to require any kind of rituals either.
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That group is less impressive than Luke/Yoda/Anakin/Mace/Kyp/Obi Wan/Jacen/Dooku/Kyle, and you're comparing the whole of previous galactic history to just seventy or so years!
What, says that the ancient sith were stronger? No, he eventually says the opposite...
Because electronic archives are easier to maintain than libraries, and they draw upon some of the knowledge of Odan's time plus the knowledge afterwards, whereas Odan can draw upon his own time, but nothing from the future.
It may have been originated earlier, but never to the scale of Palpatine's.
He used orbital bombardment, and besides, it wasn't to nearly the same degree or speed as Palpatine's storms, nor could he perform it from across the galaxy.
Valkorion may or may not have needed a ritual, but he did need a nexus, the energy of billions of inhabitants, and prep time.
Regardless, the only case you can make for the ancients is that they were better sorcerers; they were definitely weaker in generic mastery and saber ability.
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The misinformation is astounding.
That is just 350-400 years. How exactly is that less impressive? They more than double them and they're all really powerful, if not extremely powerful.
So the dark side was more prominent in the ancient Sith era, that or Exar Kun and Naga Sadow were more powerful. Which is interesting in and of itself, because Plagueis is clearly unaware of the ability of ancient Sith to remain after death as spirits, he even dismisses the possibility of ancient Sith spirits existing. But nah, Banite Sith know everything, clearly. Which leads to another correction:
Which is a very interesting statement:
Isn't it?
Very strange orbital bombardment:
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All the inhabitants of Ziost afforded him, was the replenishment of his power.
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