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Vader in Rogue One
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quanchi112
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a fair point. i've never seen him even try to choke a force adept. however this also doesn't prove your assertion that it can't happen.
It can happen because it has happened in canon it's just Vader hasn't done it. There's some great stuff in the clone wars animated show.


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a fair point. i've never seen him even try to choke a force adept. however this also doesn't prove your assertion that it can't happen.



How often does Palpatine force choke force adepts? Lol

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Hmm....I guess Vader is quite limited by his suit. He's powerful with the force, but how much of his powers can be used to defeat other Jedi, besides throwing objects at them, force communicating, not having a lightning ability. It would come down to a lightsaber, hence Luke beating him in ROTJ.....

Perhaps Vader can only pick on the weak....

Palpatine probably retired his lighsaber cause he no longer needed it by ROTJ

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Hmm....I guess Vader is quite limited by his suit.



The new Canon states he's more powerful after his injuries than before. It's only his "Potential" that was massively reduced.

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The new Canon states he's more powerful after his injuries than before. It's only his "Potential" that was massively reduced.
Being more powerful doesn't mean he wasn't limited by his suit. Words really do confuse you.


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Iirc that directly contradicts george lucas. I guess we really are gonna see some fanservice in rogue one. I hope it's just that and not a sign of more films to come with Vader.


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Lucas contradicted himself many times about SW. He's hardly reliable when it comes to stuff like that.


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He has, but not on this one. Unless I missed some commentary.


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He has, but not on this one. Unless I missed some commentary.




Most the time when Lucas referred to Vader losing "power" after Mustafar he was talking about Potential Power. Like in the ESB audio commentary where he says "but Luke still has that," he obviously didn't mean Luke is already a powerhouse. Just that he still has the Potential Power which Vader has lost a lot of.

As for how powerful OT Vader is in general, Lucas has flip flopped on that one. Going from him now being a slow and old robot man, to him being 80% as powerful as Palpatine.

Dave Filoni also says that Lucas was very adamant never to lowball Vader in combat.

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When he said he was 80% it was in the context of him having lost the potential of becoming twice as powerful as palpatine. he was still suggesting that mustafar made him less powerful.


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Regardless Vader being slow, has kinda been out of date considering the EU material he has moved quite fast and in this New Canon much the same way. Soo...yeah.


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He is even walking fast in the trailer stick out tongue


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Regardless Vader being slow, has kinda been out of date considering the EU material he has moved quite fast and in this New Canon much the same way. Soo...yeah.




Been out of date since Grievous tbh.

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Been out of date since Grievous tbh.


Yeah I was gonna bring up Grevious, because if they can make him move as he did and much of the same tech went into Vader....yeah, don't see why moving would be much an issue.

Though even before Grevious came along, Vader still shown to be quick.


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^ Yeah Grievous changed the whole "slow robot man" thing, and Count Dooku changed the whole "he's weak because he's old" nonsense.

I've got Nothing against Lucas but was literally making this stuff up as he went along. He further added to (or changed) the mythology throughout TCW series. I mean Anakin controlling the Son and Daughter on Mortis shows he had a lot more than just double Palpatine's potential.

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If they can build a fregin deathstar or even a starkiller base in the Star Wars universe, then they can easily put on suit upgrades on Vader.

Vader may have just been shocked and surprised by Luke in ROTJ when hate made him powerful

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Been out of date since Grievous tbh.
What does Grievous have to do with Vader ? Vader is slow because he's been canonically slow in films, animated series, etc.


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Well, Grievous does have something to do with Vader. Because the technology used for him was later used for Vader. I mean, it's not in the movies, but that was always the idea behind the cyborg technology in Grievous.I believe that is Lucas too.

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He has, but not on this one. Unless I missed some commentary.


Well, he never talked about Vader like this before the PT. And he changed his mind about a lot of things between the OT and the OT.


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Well, Grievous does have something to do with Vader. Because the technology used for him was later used for Vader. I mean, it's not in the movies, but that was always the idea behind the cyborg technology in Grievous.I believe that is Lucas too.




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Well, he never talked about Vader like this before the PT. And he changed his mind about a lot of things between the OT and the OT.



And again during the Prequel trilogy, and again post prequels while making TCW.

But his latest, and original take on it seems to be Vader being the big undefeatable bad guy.

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Well, Grievous does have something to do with Vader. Because the technology used for him was later used for Vader. I mean, it's not in the movies, but that was always the idea behind the cyborg technology in Grievous.I believe that is Lucas too.



Well, he never talked about Vader like this before the PT. And he changed his mind about a lot of things between the OT and the OT.
Did Vader's hands move like Grievous' ? What can you concretely say is exactly the same. It's about as relevant as saying a two flat screen TI's are the same because they are TV's.

Vader's movements are his own just like Grievous's movements are his own.


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