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Who had more stroke - Vader or Tarkin?
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Darth Thor
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Well Rogue One seems to have answered this and it appears that Vader has more authority then Tarkin as Krennic believes Vader has the authority to reinstate him as commander of the Death Star over Tarkin.



Yeah. Pretty much.

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It is about facts. Fact is Vader is superior in every way. Fact is Vader is not as dull. Fact is Tarkin lived only as long as he did because Vader allowed him to keep breathing.

You read way too much into Vader not murdering someone because Tarkin said stop.

Side note: why would the one other guy mock a mentally unstable cyborg with telekinetic powers? It's like these people just want to be euthanized by Vader. That guy owes Tarkin a big thank you.
Vader is superior in terms of formidability which makes this even worse for him even he outranked him. This means Vader allowed a weaker man with no authority boss him around in front of their subordinates. That's your speculation.

He told him to cease and he listened like a *****. Vader looks embarrassingly bad if this is the case. Well done. Vader is now a cuck per his own prerogative.


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I think it's a good bet Vader could have killed Tarkin and the Emperor would have been "oh well".


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Originally posted by juggernaut74
I think it's a good bet Vader could have killed Tarkin and the Emperor would have been "oh well".
So it even makes Vader look worse.

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I think it's a good bet Vader could have killed Tarkin and the Emperor would have been "oh well".


Nah Palpatine would have been pissed if he did that.

Vader did however seemingly have the authority to replace Tarkin as commander of the Death Star.

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Nah Palpatine would have been pissed if he did that.

Vader did however seemingly have the authority to replace Tarkin as commander of the Death Star.
He let Tarkin boss him around willingly. laughing out loud


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Nah Palpatine would have been pissed if he did that.

Vader did however seemingly have the authority to replace Tarkin as commander of the Death Star.


Upset that he lost a skilled and valuable commander to his forces, yes. But it's not like Palps would have killed Vader as punishment in ANH if Vader 86'd Tarkin; he still had use for Vader.


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Iím not so sure myself. Killing Tarkin would be a pretty big act of insubordination, if Vader did such an act he better have a damn good reason.


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Well Rogue One seems to have answered this and it appears that Vader has more authority then Tarkin as Krennic believes Vader has the authority to reinstate him as commander of the Death Star over Tarkin.


Nah. Vader was relaying the Emperor's commands, he was asking if the Emperor was keeping Krennic in command. Tarkin is either Vader's equal or superior, not subordinate.

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No. We are not led to believe that Vader had spoken with the Emperor. In fact, Krennic asks if Vader will speak to the Emperor (presumably on Krennicís behalf) or get him an audience with Sheev.


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Nah. Vader, at this point, is just the proverbial Mouth of Sauron. His authority derives entirely from his proximity to Sheev and has no position in the formal chain of command. He was relaying Sheev's orders. And Krennic wants to be able to speak to Sheev himself.

Tarkin bosses Vader around. Vader's not the kind of guy who suffers impertinence lightly, as R1 shows. He's not beneath Vader.

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Iím not so sure myself. Killing Tarkin would be a pretty big act of insubordination, if Vader did such an act he better have a damn good reason.


Punished, sure. Not killed though, not while Palps had use of him. Which we know ended around ROTJ, when Palps wanted to replace Vader with Luke.


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Nah. Vader, at this point, is just the proverbial Mouth of Sauron. His authority derives entirely from his proximity to Sheev and has no position in the formal chain of command. He was relaying Sheev's orders. And Krennic wants to be able to speak to Sheev himself.


There is nothing in the dialogue suggesting Vader is relaying Sheev's orders. One would think that if that was the case, Vader would make it clear that the orders come from the Emperor. In fact, after he asks if he is in charge of the DS again, Krennic asks if Vader will speak to Palpatine. Yes, he has no formal rank and yes all his authority is derived from Palpatine. But then, ultimately, all authority in the Empire is pretty much derived Sheev. If he wants to, he could put a random Stormtrooper in charge.


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Yeah Krennic asked Vader to grant him command of the DS. He didn't ask Vader to ask Palpatine.

Also Krennic wanted Vader and Palpatine to personally visit the demonstration of the DS. Tarkin was like "it's best to save you the embarrassment of it fails" or something. Again suggesting Vader's the top dog after Palpatine.

And even if it's a case of Vader being the channel to Palpatine, that on its own says a lot about Vader's standing.

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Tarkin does boss Vader around and that is undeniable. It drives the Vader fanatics up a wall.

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There is nothing in the dialogue suggesting Vader is relaying Sheev's orders. One would think that if that was the case, Vader would make it clear that the orders come from the Emperor. In fact, after he asks if he is in charge of the DS again, Krennic asks if Vader will speak to Palpatine. Yes, he has no formal rank and yes all his authority is derived from Palpatine. But then, ultimately, all authority in the Empire is pretty much derived Sheev. If he wants to, he could put a random Stormtrooper in charge.


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Yeah Krennic asked Vader to grant him command of the DS. He didn't ask Vader to ask Palpatine.

Also Krennic wanted Vader and Palpatine to personally visit the demonstration of the DS. Tarkin was like "it's best to save you the embarrassment of it fails" or something. Again suggesting Vader's the top dog after Palpatine.

And even if it's a case of Vader being the channel to Palpatine, that on its own says a lot about Vader's standing.


Krennic asks if he's still in command. He never asks Vader to put him in command. Since we know for a fact Vader doesn't have any formal rank or authority at this point beyond his relationship with the Emperor, logic dictates that he is referring to the Emperor putting him in charge.

Again, Vader takes orders from Tarkin in ANH. Not suggestions, orders. Vader is not one to suffer that kind of impertinence from a subordinate. Tarkin is his equal or superior.

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Vader has authority. He doesn't have an official rank. There is no implication that anything Vader says or does in R1 comes from the Emperor.

And Tarkin is the "superior" on the DS.


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Vader has authority. He doesn't have an official rank. There is no implication that anything Vader says or does in R1 comes from the Emperor.

And Tarkin is the "superior" on the DS.


What authority does he have?

Sure we do: because he doesn't actually have any official power to do anything beyond what he is charged to do with the Emperor.

...why would Tarkin be "superior" on the Death Star?

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...why would Tarkin be "superior" on the Death Star?




Because that's his command.

In the Tarkin novel Palpatine tells Vader for him and Tarkin to decide between themselves whose in command for that mission. Implying that neither has been given a higher overall authority over the other. So they probably decide on a case by case basis.

So there's definitely a level of parity there. R1 however seems to suggest it's a case of Vader =/> Tarkin rather than the other way around. Not that I'd have any issue with it being the other way around.

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