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XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
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Never seen it. What's it about?


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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Yoda being>>>Valk was already well established

Let me know when Yoda devastates whole worlds and grand armies of the Republic (and Sith) are not able to stop him in the battlefield.

These kind of feats do nothing to advance Yoda's development as a character and fighter. We all know how it ended for him.

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thesithmaster
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Someone canonically inferior to Yoda's inferior devastated worlds. That is not putting Valkorion above Yoda.


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Someone canonically inferior to Yoda's inferior devastated worlds. That is not putting Valkorion above Yoda.

Darth Nihilus and Yoda were never compared in a proper way at any point in the lore. And [subjectivity] is a common theme in Star Wars - be it from in-universe narrators or from publishers.

Darth Nihilus is an [unconventional] character - there was tremendous power in his hunger (to the point that he could consume an entire world) but he was far from being a powerful Force-user in conventional respect because he was enslaved to his hunger and risked self-destruction due to it - his body eventually collapsed under the pressures of his hunger and he wouldn't have lasted long without Force-sensitive targets to draw energy from. Darth Traya also pointed out the fact that there was tremendous power in his hunger, but not in him as a Force-user [conventionally speaking].

Therefore, Yoda >>>>>> Darth Nihilus in conventional sense of power and attunement with the Force but cannot match the the latter in the spectrum of capabilities possible through the unconventional HUNGER factor.

Conversely, Valkorion is a seemingly perfect incarnation of Darth Nihilus - he is not only capable of feats on a similar scale in conventional sense, he has absolute control over himself and his powers [qualities absent in Darth Nihilus]. Devastating a world is a far greater demonstration of raw power and capability for a character then strictly target-focused demonstrations (objectively speaking). What we saw on Ziost, is substantially above each demonstration [from Yoda] in sheer scale, potency and threat in conventional respects. We see entire armies of the Republic (and Sith) being reduced to mere instruments of violence; we see scores of Jedi and Sith being reduced to mere instruments of violence; we see protagonists moving around in despair and we see an entire world meeting its end.

Yoda is renowned for his extraordinary attunement with the Force but I do not see him as a peer of Valkorion in conventional sense of power and capability.

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Darth Nihilus is canonically inferior to Plagueis thus making him inferior to Yoda. Yoda obviously can't Drain planets but if he knew Drain he very well could.


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slayne
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Darth Nihilus is canonically inferior to Plagueis

There's nothing 'canon' about his inferiority. The Plagueis blurb is confirmed as subjective by Leland Chee, and thus is not fact.

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Darth Nihilus is canonically inferior to Plagueis thus making him inferior to Yoda. Yoda obviously can't Drain planets but if he knew Drain he very well could.


Plagueis isn't canonically inferior to Yoda, though.

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Via Sidious, he is

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Via Sidious, he is

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Yes, blurbs are canon.


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According to Chee, there is room for debate, thus, it's about as credible as a reputable characters statement.

Plagueis' is probably more powerful than Nihilus, but he blurb doesn't make it so.


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Yes, blurbs are canon.

They are fallible and subjective per Chee, and are thus not fact. In simpler terms: they aren't at all canon.

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Yes, blurbs are canon.


You can argue for them being "canon" or valid (better term), but they're not "factually" canon.

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Yes they are. That blurbs can be subjective is meaningless unles syou can prove this specific blurb is subjective. Leeland Chee says it clearly applies to all shiz, and the plagueis blurb, as lucas published material qualifies.

It's like sayig Vak isn't factually a sith, when he's fckn stated outright to be one

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Deronn Solo
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Blurs are licensed to be subjective is pretty cut and clear statement - they are, subjective, and not, as seen by a nuber of people before, unmovable facts. No amount of mental gymnastics, or romanticizing of the text will change that.


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XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
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Originally posted by NewGuy01
Plagueis isn't canonically inferior to Yoda, though.


How do you personally think Plagueis fares against Yoda?


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Rockydonovang
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Blurs can be subjective, that doesn't mean they neccesarily are, and that they have an intended purpose isn't sufficient grounds to consider them invalid when they are officially published by lucasfilm and hence are canon per leeland chee

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Deronn Solo
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quote:
Blurs can be subjective

Bingo.


quote:
that doesn't mean they neccesarily are


It means they aren't indisputable gospel that you, and a few others have been parroting around. If they are subjective, than they aren't objective, meaning there is room for debate and discussion.

Isn't that lovely?

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and that they have an intended purpose


Yeah, which is to sell books and elicit interest in the reader - in other words, a marketing strategy. I picked up quite a few novels because the blurb was especially interesting.


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1. They remain canon unless there's a basis for said blur being subjective

2. So?

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