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Right. Let's now take a look at what the quote actually says:
The two Force warriors attempted to defeat each other with displays of telekinesis and other Force abilities, but they were too evenly matched.
Emphasis on the word "too". The inclusion of this word means that Dooku and Yoda aren't necessarily equals, just that they are comparable enough that they cannot defeat each other. Similarly, there's a quote stating Palpatine was "too powerful" for Yoda to defeat, but that doesn't mean Palpatine is more powerful than Yoda, only that Palpatine's power prevents him from being defeated. In the same vein, being "more powerful" than someone doesn't mean they are too powerful for you to handle or defeat.
But you may be wondering: If Yoda is more powerful than Dooku, then how is that he can only stalemate the latter? The answer is simple: Yoda lacks any inherently lethal Force ability. Telekinesis is not designed to kill like Force Lightning, and you can only use it effectively in combat if you powerful enough to ragdoll your foe, which, as we can conclude from these quotes, Yoda is not.
And even if it meant what you think it does (it doesn't), it wouldn't defeat my stance, since only that quote would be dismissed. All the others would remain just as valid.
By that you mean zero? There is no quote in existence that claims Yoda = Dooku in power, unless you really have one. But most likely you've just misinterpreted every single one of them. Feel free to prove me wrong though.
There's SW.com which is Canon, not Legends, and there is Dooku's own POV, which can be dismissed due to it being, well, his limited point of view, only seeming like Yoda wasn't having any difficulty on the outside, despite that not being the case at all.
It's only inconsistent in the lightsaber department, which isn't what this thread is about. All the Force quotes state the same: Yoda can't ragdoll Dooku. And even if there was inconsistency, then the latest source would simply take priority. It's that simple. There's no need to go on about egotistical rants about what's stupid and what's not.
Possible, but irrelevant, given that none of the quotes actually state that.
It didn't destroy anything since that notion was never canon.
Realized what? If this turns into another derogatory insult-fest, then you're wasting your time; I'm not listening nor do I care how many gifs you spam.
Indeed we can. The gap is significant, but not large enough to constitute a ragdoll.
In regards to lightsaber combat, yes. But that doesn't matter here.
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Last edited by Azronger on May 5th, 2017 at 07:49 PM
1. That a superior force user can easily reflect your lightning? Why are we assuming easily reflecting someone's lightning means you're vastly more powerful.
2. All that means is dooku is inferior.
given that yoda didn't just subdue him outright with tk, even though that would be the easiest way to and wouldn't require hurting dooku(in fact it would be less risky then a saber duel), him not being powerful enough to outright pick him up or incap him without hurting him(like say by blasting him) makes sense.
3. It can be disregarded because there's a reasonable explanation which can easily reconcile the showing with what is said by multiple sources. And if sids could really do that outright then its dubious why yoda, a near equal/equal of sids didn't just lift or pin him which would have been a way easier and harmless way to take the count out.
People are assuming that yoda not attacking means he didn't want to attack. Its quoite possible the only way yoda could attack count was through pushes/ blasts rather than pulls or disarmament becausse of there not being that big of gap. And pushes and blasts might
a. just help dooku escape if they're too light putting him closer to his ship.
b. if they're hard enough end up hurting dooku
The above explantion is both perfectly plausible and more importantly has multiple quotes supporting it and thus has a solid basis.
Nah. Dooku was terrified by Sidious in DR and then he lost to Yoda on a dark side nexus. He's not on their level. But he's good enough to last for a bit, provided they don't go all out with Force attacks from the start. And that's more than you can say for most.
Assuming Sidious and Yoda don't go all out and TK him into space, the likes of Dooku can obviously contend with great difficulty in sabers. He's slower and weaker but still very skilled and experienced... don't lowball him too much
Relative to Sids and Yoda, how close do you have Dooku to them? Can Dooku take a win? Go down everytime with a good fight? Avoid being ragdolled?
My position is that he may contend in sabers for a short time, real short, but once the Force is introduced, he's got a snowball's chance in hell.
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