We have many examples of weaker Force users choking stronger Force users without the latter being capable of breaking through.
Off the top of my head:
> Asajj suspends Anakin, Obi-Wan in a Force choke.
> Savage suspends Dooku, Asajj in a Force choke.
> Maul suspends Sidious in a Force choke.
> Vader suspends Sidious in a Force choke.
Sure, they were "enraged," but I very much doubt such "rage" is the main reason for this. At best, the "rage" makes them attack the enemy quicker.
It very much seems that, if someone is caught off-guard with a Force choke, the prospect of freeing themselves is... unlikely, even if they are more powerful.
Same applies for the Force push. If you're "off-guard," a significantly less powerful Force-user is still capable of pushing a significantly more powerful Force-user.
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Last edited by Jaggarath on Sep 18th, 2017 at 03:01 AM
@Ant: Since you essentially ignored the rest of my post in your last response, I'll respond in kind and address the only section that brings up anything new.
I never said it wasn't possible for Dooku to have instinctually resisted Sidious's Force choke. I simply said he wouldn't have ACTIVELY resisted it. As you yourself note in the thread you linked, instinctual barriers are unlikely to have the same potency as active barriers which is pretty relevant when it's already nearly impossible to break out of the Force grip of a superior Force user, even when actively struggling to do so, to begin with.
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Force choke, in Legends, seems to directly bypass Greater Force Shields (or instinctual shields, a weaker variant of such). There is a specific technique on how to defend against Force choke, so when applied, in conjecture with the already-defending Lesser Force Shield, one presumably breaks free. This, obviously, isn't the case for Canon. The only instance where we have someone defend against a Force choke is ambiguous to the point I have no clue what he's actually doing to resist it. I imagine Dooku's instinctual defense against a Force choke would be the same as his in-play defense, so no, I don't think it would be weaker. Although, like I said, I'm not sure how said defense works, so that's speculation on my behalf. One would assume it's by using the Force to allow air-flow, but that suggests directly pitting your energies against the energies constraining it, which is inconsistent with lesser Force-users doing it to greater ones.
EDIT: Whatever the defense technique is, it's clearly generally ineffective and / or requires to be in a state of readiness when choked.
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Last edited by Jaggarath on Sep 18th, 2017 at 03:57 AM
Whether or not he resisted doesn't matter, imo. The fact of the matter is this isn't applicable to a combat scenario because Dooku wasn't prepared for it. It's not like Sidious could just choke him out in the middle of a fight...But who knows, it's Sidious
Last edited by Rebel95 on Sep 18th, 2017 at 04:26 AM
I'm sure Dooku resisted somewhat; yeah he didn't put his full effort into it but like somebody in real life grabbing you by the throat, you aren't just gonna let it happen but if the guys got good grip strength you'll have a bit of trouble getting his hand off
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I think Thor has it on par. There isn't much resisting you can do after you've been caught off-guard other than maybe stop it from getting worse. That would explain why Ventress couldn't just snap Kenobi's and Skywalker's necks or Savage do the same to Dooku.
What explanation do we have on that in canon?
Whether or not Sidious can just over-ride a prepared Dooku we don't know from this showing.
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Yep, another example is Kanan pinning the GI catching him off guard in "Rise of the Old Masters", even though we know GI was the more powerful Force user at the time.
Well even against Maul and Opress, Sidious kept catching them off guard every time he TK'd them. But again, I think that just means Sidious is faster than they are.
On the other hand he presumably couldn't catch Windu off guard, because they were duelling each other as equals.
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