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DarthAnt66
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Shocked Confirmation on Anakin > Sidious / Yoda

Here's a quote from Nick Gillard in 2011. In this, he's only using a eight tier system (removed tier ten and one and then scaled down, seemingly), but the point is obvious:

"There’s up to eight levels. Yoda is an eight, Mace Windu is an eight, Obi is a seven, but if you miss a level, it’s a bit like taking drugs to get enlightenment.” Anakin is the perfect example of messing with the established system. “I’ve got him down as an eight or nine, which doesn’t really exist,” says Gillard, before explaining that by turning to the Dark Side, Anakin skipped some essential steps. “It’s only a writing tool,” he says, “but it gives you the edge over it just being a fight."

In the context of the ten tier scale, Anakin is nine bordering ten.


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hmmm, guess Anakin>Yoda's really a thing now

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>anakin is like drugs to reach enlightenment

inb4 DMB becomes new anakin brigade leader


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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
hmmm, guess Anakin>Yoda's really a thing now



There's certainly tons of evidence suggesting parity at least.

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Who cares Snoke is gonna be a 12. cool

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Author opinion=/=fact

This can be used as an argument for those who wank Anakin to ungodly levels, but it proves nothing.

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Originally posted by darthbane77
Author opinion=/=fact

But an argument from ignorance is?

And before you get triggered, this is what I'm referring to:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

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Originally posted by darthbane77
Author opinion=/=fact

This can be used as an argument for those who wank Anakin to ungodly levels, but it proves nothing.

Lucas' word is G-Canon. Lucas created the tier systems alongside Gillard.


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mace on yoda's level as a duelist, that's all I needed to see.

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He is. The 2005 tier system had Mace as an 8 bordering 9.


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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Lucas' word is G-Canon. Lucas created the tier systems alongside Gillard.


Slow down there son. As someone who wholly supports the Anakin Skywalker supreme, until we know exactly what George and Nick agreed, this statement from Gillard isn't necessarily a reflection of Lucas' view on things. As far as we knew, back in 2005 during the films release, Anakin was a tier 9 alongside Yoda and Sidious and that's what was agreed. It is very possible for writers of the same story to disagree on a single matter, as it is for their opinion to change over time. I can give you numerous examples of this happening all over fiction. As long as Lucas and Gillard aren't literally sharing a brain, a statement from Gillard isn't the same as a statement form Lucas. Hive-minds and Hegemonies aren't how movie scripts are created.


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He is. The 2005 tier system had Mace as an 8 bordering 9.


I'm pretty sure that was also from a more recent interview. Back then he was just grouped with the 9's.

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I thought the 8 bordering 9 was from 2005?


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http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/sta...th-nick-gillard

Here's the interview. Since once again DA didn't link anything.

Also I like how this is coming up now. I've been posting this on CV for years.

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Originally posted by twotter
Slow down there son. As someone who wholly supports the Anakin Skywalker supreme, until we know exactly what George and Nick agreed, this statement from Gillard isn't necessarily a reflection of Lucas' view on things. As far as we knew, back in 2005 during the films release, Anakin was a tier 9 alongside Yoda and Sidious and that's what was agreed. It is very possible for writers of the same story to disagree on a single matter, as it is for their opinion to change over time. I can give you numerous examples of this happening all over fiction. As long as Lucas and Gillard aren't literally sharing a brain, a statement from Gillard isn't the same as a statement form Lucas. Hive-minds and Hegemonies aren't how movie scripts are created.

Except there's no suggested contradiction - just further clarification.

Anakin being a tier nine doesn't mean he can't be teetering on 10.


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But an argument from ignorance is?

And before you get triggered, this is what I'm referring to:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
I've never argued out of ignorance. Viewing quotes and author/worker opinion differently than the rest of you=/=ignorance.

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Lucas' word is G-Canon. Lucas created the tier systems alongside Gillard.
Lucas' word is well and good, but it's also contradicted and unsupported by much of what's actually seen in-universe. As far as the films only are concerned, Lucas is God, but in regards to the larger SW mythos, his word means little.

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I've never argued out of ignorance. Viewing quotes and author/worker opinion differently than the rest of you=/=ignorance.
I specifically linked you so you wouldn't be confusing me calling you out on engaging in a fallacy as an ad hominem.

Arguing that an absence of evidence is evidence of absence is an argument from ignorance. As we have evidence saying Anakin is Yoda level, you need to provide a reason he isn't yoda level aside from, "he don't got no feats!"

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Originally posted by darthbane77
I've never argued out of ignorance. Viewing quotes and author/worker opinion differently than the rest of you=/=ignorance.

Lucas' word is well and good, but it's also contradicted and unsupported by much of what's actually seen in-universe. As far as the films only are concerned, Lucas is God, but in regards to the larger SW mythos, his word means little.

But that's... not true. Lucas' word is absolute in both Lucas Licensing and LucasFilms.


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Originally posted by darthbane77


Lucas' word is well and good, but it's also contradicted and unsupported by much of what's actually seen in-universe. As far as the films only are concerned, Lucas is God, but in regards to the larger SW mythos, his word means little.

Oh?
quote:
That’s a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia...
They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible

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DB77 being incredibly disrespectful to Anakin...

[SPOILER - highlight to read]: who murders Revan.


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