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To add to this point, I realized none of the quotes about PT being the prime refer to the Jedi Order. The KotOR CG does. You can be a Jedi without being a part of the Order, so PT being the prime of the Jedi and KotOR being the prime of the Order as an insitution are not contradictory notions.
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Except the KotOR quotes attribute KotOR's supremacy being an era filled with warfare. As per the quote, KotOR is absolute in both the institution-respect and the fighting-respect. The comments on the Sith and the Mandalorians are not relevant to the Jedi's power as an institution and, if anything, damaging.
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It's actually quite logical that the PT era is the prime of the Jedi to be honest. They would've thousands of extra years of gathering new knowledge, improving training methods, experiences from past conflicts,...
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Which doesn't work because the KotorCG quote doesn't share the context of the PT era quotes(or the ones which can be applied to an induvidual's abilities).
Lucas's first quote is very clearly in the context of an individual combatant's ability
The third quote specifically references how powerful the masters are, not the institution.
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I already listed several validations for PT paramountcy, none of which you from the looks of things noticed. But once again, no one needs to justify facts. Facts are, by their very definition, absolute truths. They don't require further validation - otherwise they would not be facts.
And given you completely ignored my other point, the CWCG quote does indeed remain factual: the Jedi grew as the Republic grew, meaning they'd be more capable of solving crises as time went on. The Clone Wars take place later in history than the Mandalorian Wars and the Jedi Civil War, so per that statement, the Jedi are better during the former than they were during the latter two.
Enlighten me. Not that I used Lucas' quotes to argue this in the first place anyway.
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Azronger still doesn't grasp the concept of the Star Wars mythos growing outside the touch of Lucas, that Azronger's interpretation could be wrong, or that he was only comparing the Pt to the Ot era. It's about as cringe worthy as some religious zealot swearing up and down his interpretation of some text is the only way to interpret said information.
What's up with this PT/OT nostalgia to some MKC users?
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The proper context of these quotes is to contrast what we see on the OT. Clunky lightsaber duels, limited use of the force and very few force wielders. So I don't believe they have any value in the context of versus forum debate.
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Mysteries of the Jedi, a book entirely about PT Jedi, claims that they're the most powerful ones of all time. Given it came out in 2011, it retcons all the KotOR quotes. PT Jedi are indeed supreme among all eras.
All these quotes about "primes" can have multiple potential interpretations, but if we're trying to judge the upper tiers of each era there isn't even a legitimate conversation: which era of Jedi had people to match Yoda, Anakin, Mace Windu and Obi Wan again? Heck Yoda, Mace and Jedi Dooku all have quotes placing them above every Jedi before them, so literally we have an example of the most powerful "record" being broken three times, four if you include Anakin.
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