Mace is stated to be on tier 9 or bordering from 8 to 9. Either way, a 9.
Dooku is stated to be in tier 8.
9 > 8
8-9 range > 9
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I believe Mace's 8-9 ranking is referencing his use of Vaapad elevating his ability. This is due to his performance against the likes of Grievous and Dooku post Haruun Kal where his Vaapad should allow him to feed off Dooku's own darkness as well as his own.
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I'm failing to see your point. We know for a fact Mace was using Vaapad in Episode III. Are you attempting to claim Gillard didn't take into account or know the in universe effect Vaapad would have on Mace because of that statement?
Because if that's the case, I personally find such an assumption to be a stretch and something I would need confirmation of. Not just the speculation of the mighty DarthAnt66.
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Last edited by UCanShootMyNova on Nov 27th, 2017 at 02:55 AM
Vaapad was created by the Expanded Universe, not George Lucas. As a result, it's not recognized by Lucasfilm when creating the movies. Lucas is constantly on recording stating that the Expanded Universe will not restrict him in any way, and while he may call upon it if necessary, he is no means beholden to it. To give an example, when making TCW, Lucas told his team to completely ignore all previous Expanded Universe content concerning the Clone Wars if there were any contradictions.
So, in this case, Lucas bestows upon Nick Gillard the authority to run the lightsaber fights based on the script and tier system that Lucas created. In Lucas' rankings, he has Mace legitimately capable of defeating Sidious, and at the very least a rival. Further, we know Vaapad is not used because Nick Gillard is on record saying so.
Thus, Mace can straight-up defeat Sidious without Vaapad factoring into it. You are trying to reconcile the fight with Vaapad, but that doesn't change Lucas' position that Mace can do it without Vaapad. So, you can have Mace as bordering on 9 without Vaapad, and then a tier 9 with Vaapad, but doing anything else would be contradicting Lucas and that isn't possible.
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Can anybody tell me if Ant snuck a source stating what he claims in this post of if it's just more speculation on his part. Don't want to waste the energy if it doesn't.
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Oh, so, Syn's problem is that two characters are now ranked higher than they used to be, and that in his opinion "killed a lot of the debate." Except that, what he is doing right now, is debating their position...
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And no idea what debate was killed regarding Dooku, Maul, and Obi-Wan. All of them are ranked on the same level. What the hell did that kill? I hope nobody ever seriously contemplated the notion of someone like Kit Fisto beating any one of those guys.
nah, but I have Fisto just below Maul and Kenobi tbh
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