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Hulk vs Wolverine vs Professor X vs Quicksilver!
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Both powers manifest at the speed of the respective user's thought. So again I come back to the asking for a single reflex feat.
This strikes me as you begging the question. Are you denying that Xavier can think far faster than normal people like Quicksilver can think far faster than normal people? I figured we were beyond contesting such a premise. If you disagree, your protestations make more sense. If you don't, then... ????
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Quicksilver's legs are thought-activated. He has to think, then move. Giving him a GL ring (and with all the stips in this thread: he doesn't need to come up with the image himself, he has equal training with the ring and just needs to create the construct that Emma "beams" into his head) just means that now all he has to do is think.
So we both agree that physical motor speed is meaningless here, it's about who "thinks" faster. This is what I've been positing the entire time????
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So if QS had an edge on Xavier
Hold up.... I don't recall agreeing with this. Physically speaking? Sure. Comics mental telepathy speaking? Nah. This is just you assuming your conclusion.
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Disagreeing with you doesn't mean I'm reading the feats in bad faith. But in any event, you're welcome to make the argument.
I think I've been making the same argument the entire time. Both Xavier and Quicksilver have feats of thinking far faster than normal people. And GL rings are thought-based weapons. I mean, if you disagree that Xavier can think far faster than normal people, ok? But btw you and I, you're insisting on your own assumption: Quicksilver can react faster, ergo Quicksilver wins w/ GL rings.

Yet, simple insistence is not an argument.

I've presented proof that Xavier thinks far faster than normal people. Apparently most people, not even you, even deign to argue against that proposition. So how is that so readily dismissed when the scenario involves thought-based weapons? We're not dealing with physically pulling triggers on pistols here. Dismiss my comments all you want. Just don't pretend like I'm the one (i) ignoring the thread stipulations, or (ii) on-panel feats.

I honestly am trying to bear down on both. I don't even have a horse in the race here, bruh.


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This strikes me as you begging the question. Are you denying that Xavier can think far faster than normal people like Quicksilver can think far faster than normal people? I figured we were beyond contesting such a premise.

If you disagree, your protestations make more sense. If you don't, then... ???? So we both agree that physical motor speed is meaningless here, it's about who "thinks" faster. This is what I've been positing the entire time????
Xavier can think faster than Wolverine. Wolverine has faster mental reflexes than Xavier (pending proof of Xavier's mental reflexes, anyways).

Again, I view it was comparing travel/flight speed to fight speed.

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Hold up.... I don't recall agreeing with this. Physically speaking? Sure. Comics mental telepathy speaking? Nah. This is just you assuming your conclusion.
It's been a little unclear when you've been taking a position vs playing devil's advocate within the debate with Leo, but since both Leo and I seem to agree on that point, it didn't seem controversial.

So, in a forum fight: Xavier vs QS, both normal power sets. Bell rings. Who attacks first?

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I think I've been making the same argument the entire time. Both Xavier and Quicksilver have feats of thinking far faster than normal people. And GL rings are thought-based weapons. I mean, if you disagree that Xavier can think far faster than normal people, ok? But btw you and I, you're insisting on your own assumption: Quicksilver can react faster, ergo Quicksilver wins w/ GL rings. Simple insistence isn't an argument.

I've presented proof that Xavier thinks far faster than normal people. Apparently most people, not even you, even deign to argue against that proposition. So how is that so readily dismissed when the scenario involves thought-based weapons? We're not dealing with physically pulling triggers on pistols here. Dismiss my comments all you want. Just don't pretend like I'm the one (i) ignoring the thread stipulations, or (ii) on-panel feats.

I honestly am trying to bear down on both. I don't even have a horse in the race here, bruh.
I guess I can only respond to this by referring you back to what I just wrote, and telling you to "dismiss my comments all you want" but that "simple insistence isn't an argument".

Otherwise we can start from the 'normal' QS vs Xavier scenario and work backwards from there.

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Xavier can think faster than Wolverine. Wolverine has faster mental reflexes than Xavier
Sorry but... I think this premise represents an impasse between us. Can't really move beyond this. I can intuit the reasons behind your insistence. I might even agree on a certain level as you might see below. But to bear down on it: GL rings can manifest constructs through both (i) purposeful thought, and (ii) instinctual reflex. Almost equally I think. Almost.

Because if Hal was pummeled during a fight and nearly on the verge of unconsciousness, he might not manifest strongly reinforced forcefields as quickly/strongly as he could if he were completely unharmed/unexhausted. In other words -- force of will made equal -- I'd argue Hal's GL constructs would manifest stronger if he wasn't punch-drunk.

This is just another way of suggesting that GL rings rely/require more (a) purposefully designed visualization, than (b) simply animal instinctual reflex. So Wolverine having more physically instinctual reflex (an assumption you've made against the foremost Marvel telepath but that I've accepted for purposes of argument?)? Even then, not exactly the deciding factor when it comes to a thought-based weapon like a GL ring.

I'll further expound on what I am thinking: assume both Wolverine/Quicksilver and Xavier are already on the astral plane aiming mentally projected pistols at each other's psychic manifestations. So, who'd win a quickdraw contest?

Are you that supremely confident that Wolverine/Quicksilver win just easily as they would in the real physical world where they're wielding physical pistols?

No? Well, if you are given pause (like me), this thread's scenario might not be as simple as quantifying real life motor reflexes. Which is my entire point.

Should we equate conscious motor-speed with thought speed? Might make sense in the actual real world. But in comics? Nah.


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