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Darth Thor
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Hulk in the movie you are scaling off is a 10-15 tonner.




I don't remember him struggling to lift 20 tons in that film.

It's MCU Hulk. I.e. the same Hulk. And Abom was his near equal.

There was never any mention of a substantial strength amp.

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Hulk in the movie you are scaling off is a 10-15 tonner.

I'm sorry but if both character A and B fails to lift x tons in movie 1.
But in movie 2 character B doesn't fail to lift x tons then either
1. character B is a different character in movie 2(character A stays where he is)
Or
2. Character B is stronger in movie 2 (character A still stays where he is).

That's like me and you shown to be equal strength where we both try to lift 300lb but fail. But in movie 2 I lift 400lb. Does that make you stronger now?


Or another option is PIS/WIS. For the sake of plot/timing, Hulk isn't shown benching 10,000 tons or whatever.

But he's still the same character. He hasn't gotten stronger, it's just that in that specific movie he didn't do XYZ. But feats transfer across different films/episodes/issues, if they're the same character.


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Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk in the movie you are scaling off is a 10-15 tonner.

I'm sorry but if both character A and B fails to lift x tons in movie 1.
But in movie 2 character B doesn't fail to lift x tons then either
1. character B is a different character in movie 2(character A stays where he is)
Or
2. Character B is stronger in movie 2 (character A still stays where he is).

That's like me and you shown to be equal strength where we both try to lift 300lb but fail. But in movie 2 I lift 400lb. Does that make you stronger now?


Are you seriously trying to make an argument based on feats for every movie although they are the same character? Good lord. That's weak even from you.


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It's like saying Superman's origin story isn't valid for Batman Vs Superman/Justice League, because in THOSE specific movies, the destruction of Krypton wasn't shown.


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Are you seriously trying to make an argument based on feats for every movie although they are the same character? Good lord. That's weak even from you.


Well it's 1 or 2.
If it's the same character then Hulk got stronger, Abom stays the same.


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Or another option is PIS/WIS. For the sake of plot/timing, Hulk isn't shown benching 10,000 tons or whatever.

But he's still the same character. He hasn't gotten stronger, it's just that in that specific movie he didn't do XYZ. But feats transfer across different films/episodes/issues, if they're the same character.


Its not PIS because the whole movie he was a class 10-15 character.
PIS only exists if they have contradictory feats IN THE SAME MOVIE.

If Rocky can't lift 300lb in Rocky 1 but can lift 400lb in Rocky 4 then he is stronger in Rocky 4. So anyone that matches strength with him in Rocky 1 doesn't also get a strength upgrade.


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I don't remember him struggling to lift 20 tons in that film.

It's MCU Hulk. I.e. the same Hulk. And Abom was his near equal.

There was never any mention of a substantial strength amp.


Whether you believe it's the same character has no bearing on him being the same strength in later versions.
He was clearly a class 10-15 character in Norton's version. Abom matched him and failed to break a thick chain (after exerting effort).


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Its not PIS because the whole movie he was a class 10-15 character.
PIS only exists if they have contradictory feats IN THE SAME MOVIE.

If Rocky can't lift 300lb in Rocky 1 but can lift 400lb in Rocky 4 then he is stronger in Rocky 4. So anyone that matches strength with him in Rocky 1 doesn't also get a strength upgrade.


Where does it say this in the rules?


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Where does it say this in the rules?


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Well he couldn't KO Cull Obsidian in his most impressive armour, so I'm not seeing it. Outside of Hulkbuster.

Nah bro watch it again. Took Cull quite a while to get back to the fight after Ironman Blasted him initially.
You could see Ironman wasn't even seriously fighting him by the way he was talking to Bruce and Spiderman.
Also for your info Hulkbuster couldn't KO Cull either lol and Hulkbuster > Hulk stick out tongue
Cull is above Namor.

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Well he couldn't KO Cull Obsidian in his most impressive armour, so I'm not seeing it. Outside of Hulkbuster.



That's what I mean by heavyweights though. I think multiple opponents with immense strength is going start stacking up and being too much for Thanos. Even moreso with their versatility of powers that he clearly lacks.

Dr Strange isn't a heavyweight then or Scarlet witch for that matter but she will wipe the floor with Namor.

None of them have proven to be strong enough to hurt Thanos with punches, how exactly are the heavyweights stacking up? Hulk is stronger than all these guys yet he couldn't even hurt Thanos with a barrage of assaults and surprise attack.

Prove to me they can hurt Thanos bar the Spear(which is even a speculation)
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Ripping through Wakandan ships. Aside from that it's In Universe and Director commentary putting him on Thor/Hulk level of strength.

Ripping through with his Spear. That's a strength feat?
Is that the strength feat that's much beyond Ironman? What 😂. Go watch the fight on Titan and see IM do better than that lol. Namor couldn't even KO Mbaku , what a heavyweight.
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He's probably using his blade to block Ikaris's HV, whilst Abom grips him, and then he has to fight off Namor with his staff. Honeslty just those 3 seem a bit much to me.


Or he uses Namor to block Ikaris HV like he did with Ironman. How about that?
And easily breaks Abom's hold and slices him up.

Those 3 will be completely stomped easily imo.
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2 including IM. Again not convinced that's 2.


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Ironman is more formidable than Namor that's for Sure.
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The spear is certainly a threat to him. His own blade could be if he drops it and someone else grabs it. What's even his durability feats for taking Heat blasts? There's too much going on for him just with those 3.
If we're giving the spear Stormbreaker feats.
Thanos has better reflexes and is far more skilled and far stronger than anyone here, if anyone is grabbing another's weapon , it would be Thanos.

A dying Thanos did take CM's blasts with nothing to show for it , so there's that. Ikaris is getting more useless by the second.
What's Ikaris best HV feat?
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We've not seen him hold his own against 3 combatants like this, and we know he's not invincible. Thor, Captain Marvel and SW have all been on the winning side against him one v one at some point.

CM has never been winning against him nor ever will she! No sell a headbutt and boom everyone is hyping you.
And to be fair, All Thor did was to Throw SB at him while he tried to block it with the IG. Not a fight. (However I'm not saying SB Thor couldn't)
SW legit was crushing him.


I'm yet to see who here can hurt Thanos aside the Spear. Is it so hard to prove?

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Its not PIS because the whole movie he was a class 10-15 character.
PIS only exists if they have contradictory feats IN THE SAME MOVIE.

If Rocky can't lift 300lb in Rocky 1 but can lift 400lb in Rocky 4 then he is stronger in Rocky 4. So anyone that matches strength with him in Rocky 1 doesn't also get a strength upgrade.


Do you realize how silly this is (of course you don't)? The Hulk's strength has always been dependent on how mad he gets (savage Hulk anyways) so situations for him are always different. Displaying upper tier strength feats aren't always required in every situation.

Taking strength feats from one movie and solely using them for a character with varying strength like the Hulk is idiotic.

In the example you gave with Rocky, if he wasn't required to lift 300lbs in the first movie, that doesn't mean he couldn't, it only means he didn't try. He's still the same character.


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