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Janus Marius
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Qui Gon Jinn Versus Jolee Bindo
Battle of the old guys. Who wins? Who doesn't? And who cares?
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Qui-Gon.
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Apr 22nd, 2005 02:33 AM |
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Janus Marius
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I agree.
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Apr 22nd, 2005 02:36 AM |
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Darth_DaNThEMaN
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Qui Gon
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Apr 22nd, 2005 02:46 AM |
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Darth_Glentract
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I think it would be too close to call. Jolee has some awsome force powers.
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Apr 22nd, 2005 10:51 PM |
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ArthasKnight
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I agree, I think Jolee could win.
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Apr 22nd, 2005 11:01 PM |
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Janus Marius
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I don't think Jolee could hang as well against Darth Maul, going pure offense like Qui Gon did. Jolee was a Jedi consular and not an Ataru master like Qui Gon, either.
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Apr 23rd, 2005 12:53 AM |
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Darth Janus take a break on Jolee; He does not have social security.
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Apr 23rd, 2005 01:52 AM |
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Janus Marius
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Not any longer, for sure... lol...
Poor old sucker.
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Apr 23rd, 2005 07:51 AM |
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ArthasKnight
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In lghtsaber combat sure Jolee'd be wasted for sure. But if you added the Force into the battle I'd say Jolee has the edge over Qui-Gon.
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Apr 23rd, 2005 04:50 PM |
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Janus Marius
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I'm confused on one thing... The Force is ALWAYS a factor in lightsaber combat. And when there is not a clear enough margin to defeat the other opponent with sheer Force power, despites are always settled with the lightsaber. I mean, if you could just force choke/lightning/push/slap anyone just like the games, all the time, why would Maul have even wasted a second or two melee fighting Qui Gon and Obi Wan? Why did Vader is ESB even trade blows with his son when he could have just levitated and held his ass in the carbonite? Why why why?
The answer? Because unless one takes the other by complete surprise, or there is a fundamental lacking in Force knowledge to counter an attack, such attacks on another Sith or Jedi aren't anywhere near as effective as they are on say, a normal citizen or non force sensitive alien. That's just the way it is. If sheer Force power was a deciding factor in combat among Force users, there would have been no exchanges of blows between Obi Wan and Anakin all those times.
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Apr 23rd, 2005 05:05 PM |
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ArthasKnight
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Think about KotOR. Think about when you use Force powers before you start fighting someone whether it's insanity or stasis field or whatever you pick to stun your opponent. That's what I'm talking about when I say Force powers. Jolee has a better command of the Force so he could use those powers more effectively than Qui-Gon who would probably just come at him with a lightsaber. While Qui-Gon's incapacitated, that's when Jolee draws his lightsaber and makes quick work of Qui-Gon.
See, this is the problem with pitting movie characters against characters from KotOR. It gives the video game characters and unfair advantage because of the variety of Force powers they can use. We don't see characters in the movies use Force powers all that much. I don't really think it's a good idea to make vs. threads between game and non-game characters.
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Apr 23rd, 2005 06:37 PM |
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Janus Marius
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Well, it's pretty straight forward and outside of game mechanics just how far the Force is effective in Jedi versus Jedi or Sith combat. Even Sidious, for all his unholy power, draws his lightsaber when confronted by Mace and the other Jedi Masters. For the sake of making the game fun (whether it's Jedi Outcast, Academy, Dark Forces, KOTOR etc.) the Force is used rather liberally. But in the movies and books, we know that this is not the case, and thus we can apply it to game characters and come to reasonable conclusions. To simply say we cannto judge them based on one another defeats the purpose of this whole section of the forum. Jolee, outside of gameplay combat (Which is not a good thing to cite as proof of ability, since all characters can use all the powers in that game) demonstrates nothing that shows he is better than Qui Gon, and since he is more of a gray Jedi and a passivist, I don't think it's likely he'd defeat Qui Gon in a pitched battle. Simple enough.
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Apr 23rd, 2005 08:47 PM |
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ArthasKnight
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I get what you're saying there. However, outside of the game we don't know just how Jolee would fight. Using game mechanics as my argument, all characters fight with the same movements and more or less the same speed. The only variable is statistics which can be modified from game to game to increase defense or strength or whatever you want. Take Jolee out of the game and pit him against Qui-Gon and we may see Jolee pull some moves we've never seen before because he couldn't use them in the game.
And alignment (neutral, light, dark) gives us an idea of ability how?
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Janus Marius
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Well, if he was a full out Sith, he would be an offensive styled fighter and thus stand a much better chance. But since Jolee was a laid back recluse who's more into passive resolvement of most conflicts, I don't think he's a better warrior.
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Apr 24th, 2005 02:03 AM |
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Exactly.
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Apr 24th, 2005 02:10 AM |
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ArthasKnight
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Well just because someone doesn't fight, doesn't mean they can't.
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Apr 24th, 2005 03:44 AM |
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That is true, but it seems that Qui-Gon's skill is a little better than Jolee's. It is just my opinion anyway.
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Apr 24th, 2005 04:11 PM |
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Naga Sadow
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i dunno, i think jolee would win.
in kotor 1 he is just an expirienced ex jedi. in kotor 2 he is treated as a legendary jedi,
u can get his robe and he is mentioned in dialogs a few times i think.
anyways, he had to be a good fighter to survive in shadowlands, and also, it matters not that he was gray. he just pushed away the council but did not embrace dark side, so he was still servant of light. indeed u cant tell which powers he can use and ehich he cant, but still, he was best NPC in kotor 1, and i played that game like 20 times(so u can trust me, with the differences made, he was still best) and why dont u think he couldnt fight maul? he fought revan(althou he lost, but so did qui gon) and i think we all agree that revan would own maul
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Apr 24th, 2005 05:16 PM |
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Fishy
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Jolee is only a legend because of the people he travelled with
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