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Luke CAN'T be that strong of a jedi
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Vanquish
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Luke CAN'T be that strong of a jedi

Sorry Luke fans, but I just don't see how Luke can be considered a strong Jedi. Sure he has the genes and the potential, but that isn't enough. He was just too poorly trained to be strong at the time of ROTJ. Even Anakin, the chosen one needed to be trained for many years before he became powerful and even after long years of training under one of the best masters, he still lost most of his fights.

Simply because of his incredibly poor training, wouldn't he have to be one of the weakest Jedi ever?

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DarkNemesis
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I agree. Just because Skywalker is Luke's last name, people tend to think that no one can light a candle to him, regardless of how little training he recieved. And I have also heard people saying Luke is as powerful as Mace, Dooku, Qui-Gon etc. because his genetics demands that he whoops ass. That is pure nonsense. Skywalker blood doesn't mean squat if you don't have the adequate training and experience. Saying Luke can compare with them is like saying that the son of Albert Enstein can drop out of school in Grade 5 and be smarter than an average university graduate.


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Batman316
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Luke is the first Jedi trained 'in the new' way. The Jedi fall because they are too stuck in their old ways. Perhaps the new way that Obi and Yoda learn makes a difference


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Ushgarak
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That is speculation and untrue.

And Luke isn't that powerful in ROTJ, so there is no issue here. He has POTENTIAL power, but by the end of ROTJ he has only just finished his padawanship!


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yerssot
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Lucas never said that Luke was a strong jedi, he states it when talking about the fights in TPM, something in the lines of:
you saw old men and machines fighting and young men learning from these cripled people, but now you can see the jedi in the prime of their time...

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tlbauerle
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Exactly...which makes it funny becaue DV is essentially trashed by a padawan!!!

Clarification: Is dueling DV considered Luke's version of the trials?

Yoda states: "One thing remains...Vader, you must confront Vader...Only then a Jedi will you be."


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I always understood confronting Vader to be Luke's version of the trials. yes


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Re: Luke CAN'T be that strong of a jedi

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Originally posted by Vanquish
Sorry Luke fans, but I just don't see how Luke can be considered a strong Jedi. Sure he has the genes and the potential, but that isn't enough. He was just too poorly trained to be strong at the time of ROTJ. Even Anakin, the chosen one needed to be trained for many years before he became powerful and even after long years of training under one of the best masters, he still lost most of his fights.

Simply because of his incredibly poor training, wouldn't he have to be one of the weakest Jedi ever?


I am not a luke fan at all so bear with me when I say I think he got good jedi training he was weak when he was with the empire because of his thoughts on this friends which a jedi can not have.JM smile


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He had obi-wan's force ghost to teach him for several years


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Janus Marius
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Is that why he is surprised to see him in ESB?

I read the novelisations of the original trilogy way back when. It never said Luke was trained by ghost Obi Wan.

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i agree on the whole luke pansy thing. doenst even get to finsh his training with yoda, he is at the same stage in rotj luke v vader duel than he was in the esb vader luke duel when he left yoda. it doest seem long enough.

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Luke's tale is more spiritual. People forget that STar Wars is not about how powerful a character is. Luke is an apprentice. Luke reveals that much when he is told that in order to be a Jedi, he must face Darth Vader again.

"One thing remains, Vader, you must confront Vader, then only then, a Jedi will you be" - Yoda ROTJ.

PLease can we forget this whole Luke = power thing? It's unfair to even judge Luke because he is taught differently, and the tale ends when he becomes a Knight. The Skywalker family runs strong with the force = fact. Their potential is great. We don't need to see Luke defeat everything in order to realise he is a powerful Jedi Knight and will become even more powerful in time.

It's like comparring TPM Obi-Wan to everyone else. Drop it and enjoy the story.

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Sesse
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lol... What if Ben made some holorecords in his place during those years of his exile.

He could have saved them on disks, which could be player on any standard holotv.

"Testing... Testing... Oh yes. It's working. Ahem. Hello, Luke. I am Obi-Wan Kenobi, and this is the first disk of the 'Secrets of the jedi' series. Please ensure that you were provided all that you need in order to start your training. Should something be missing, call to Ben Kenobi. 054488732. Thank you.. *Insert Disk 2*"


Obi Wan tried to give the package to Luke when he was "old enough", but surprisingly his uncle wouldn't allow it.

After meeting luke out in the desert, Obi wan decided that it was better to train him personally. Now when luke returned to bens hut to rebuild
his lightsaber, he found the disks as well...

A great theory.

And we have discussed numerous times about lukes powerfulness.

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exanda kane
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thats a nice theory. but there should be know need to explain.
When Yoda says the "you must confront vader, only then will a jedi you become" it means that all he has to do is face Vader. Vader won't kill his own son because he is the chosen one and he destroys the Sith (eventually).


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Darth Dementus
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I agree. If you put Luke against any Sith from the Old Republic days, the Sith would dominate Luke.

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obi-one killer
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If any of read youd see that there was records of training and even how to build lightsabers. Yoda and Obi-Won trained him to be a warior not a keeper of the peace like the old jedi order that is one reason they lost the clone wars. Sesse is right mostly he didnt make the discs just for luke he made them so luke could us them to teach students to become jedi.

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Sodo
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I don't think Luke was meant to be "The Ultimate Destroyer" kind of guy. He was taught by a Yoda far beyond his prime and had no physical power whatsoever. However, he didn't really need to win any fights. I saw Luke as a kind of leverage for Vader to find out what he really needed to do: Kill Sidious.


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Ushgarak
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Absolutely so, Sodo. DUnno whee you got that idea from, killer!

Mind you, I'd be careful about thinking that Yoda knew Luke could turn Vader back- that was meant to be Luke's unique contribution. He wasn't entirely a pawn, you know, he did have some achievement of his own.


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maifoshis
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luke skywalker was trained by the will of the force becoming a jedi by confronting vader was only the beginning from there on he is thrown into all sorts of situatuions that strengthen him spiritually and physically and eventually he does become the most powerful being in the galaxy simple because he is the only practising jedi. when he eventually starts the praxeum on yavin4 kyp durron does surpass him in terms of raw power but skywalker is still the complete jedi and a template for the future.

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as long as you don't use Kyp as canon wink

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