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count dooku

Is count dooku stronger than anakin in the begining of rots?
Was he planning on losing to anakin? or did sidous now that anakin possessed the strengh to beat dooku.

why does yoda call dooku the greatest student and biggest failure when anakin is a much stronger jedi?

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No, Dooku was weaker(much to Ox's chagrin), and he lost fair and square.

Listen to GL on the movie's commentary.


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Dooku's force mastery was still a fair notch above Anakins, and I still think that his skills with a blade surpassed young Skywalkers. However Anakins raw power was channeled so effectively in that fight that Dooku simply got pwned. But in saying that, put anyone in Dooku's position in ROTS and im quite sure that Anakin would pwn them to. After all he is 'the chosen one'.


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Re: count dooku

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Originally posted by AAskywalker
Is count dooku stronger than anakin in the begining of rots?
Was he planning on losing to anakin? or did sidous now that anakin possessed the strengh to beat dooku.

why does yoda call dooku the greatest student and biggest failure when anakin is a much stronger jedi?


You've read Dark Rendezvous. smile

Remember, he also says that Anakin is the student whom "the Force is strongest with". His strength surpasses Dooku. Greatness is subjective, for the most part. Hell, I'd consider Dooku the greater student as well. He obviously used his head more, and mastered Makashi, and was obviously highly proficient in all areas.

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But as Ox says... anakin PWN'ed Dooku in a fair fight. That says it all.


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Dooku was a *****, and he got his ass whopped.

Obi-wan would have done it, but he kept tripping on things.


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Dooku was clearly superior in combat prowess, it's pretty obvious from the movie that he was trying to turn Anakin to the darkisde under Palpatine's orders.

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Dooku was a b**ch! Remember Anakin chopping his head off?

Dooku was also stupid. How could he not know he was going to be replaced by this younger jedi?


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Just because Anakin may be more connected to the force and is stronger doesn't make him the greater student. Dooku was smarter and more wiser. I also agree with Rampan Ox when he stated Dooku surpassed Anakin in skill in force and with blade.

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But. .. . but. . . .
He chopped his head off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How could he surpass Anakin's powers? Am I taking crazy pills?


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Just because Anakin may be more connected to the force and is stronger doesn't make him the greater student. Dooku was smarter and more wiser. I also agree with Rampan Ox when he stated Dooku surpassed Anakin in skill in force and with blade.


Dooku was smarter and wiser? He ended up a fricken pawn. That's not wisdom at its finest - nor can a servant of the Dark Lord of the Sith be construed as wise.

Dooku was intelligent, but misguided and delusional, which is why he was simply a pawn.

Anakin ended up tooling Dooku in their duel. Why? Because his raw power made him too much of an onslaught for Dooku to handle. That's the whole proficiency of Makashi - it is precise and accurate. But it can't handle someone like Anakin, who is bashing the hell out of Dooku's defence. Dooku may have had more proficiency (by virtue of age and experience) with a lightsaber, but he lost the duel legitimately - and there's nothing to say that another fight between them wouldn't go the same way.

When Anakin goes into "pissed off" mode, he is too powerful for Dooku to handle.

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Dooku was smarter and wiser? He ended up a fricken pawn. That's not wisdom at its finest - nor can a servant of the Dark Lord of the Sith be construed as wise.

Dooku was intelligent, but misguided and delusional, which is why he was simply a pawn.

Anakin ended up tooling Dooku in their duel. Why? Because his raw power made him too much of an onslaught for Dooku to handle. That's the whole proficiency of Makashi - it is precise and accurate. But it can't handle someone like Anakin, who is bashing the hell out of Dooku's defence. Dooku may have had more proficiency (by virtue of age and experience) with a lightsaber, but he lost the duel legitimately - and there's nothing to say that another fight between them wouldn't go the same way.

When Anakin goes into "pissed off" mode, he is too powerful for Dooku to handle.


Yep its been confirmed by almost every source, including Lucas himself that Anakin is better then Dooku.


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In AOTC Dooku was already and clearly worn out by the fight with Anakin. The kill in ROTS was only a matter of time.


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I disagree. If he was 'clearly worn out' as you say, he wouldnt have been able to go up against and survive in a duel with Yoda. Anakin proved more difficult than expected, but was still nowhere near good enough to rival Dooku at that point.


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Well, if you read the novel, and that IS canon, Dooku was surprised and almost taken out. That shot of Dooku gasping is supposed to show that Dooku was overwhelmed by Anakin's power. That was quite weakly done, the novel makes it quite clear Dooku was almost out of his league... almost but not entirely so he won. Anakin's growth and therefor his victory over Dooku was inevitable.


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GAHHH!! queeq, you closed another one! it wasn't bad management, it was bad people posting random stuff! Me and Kingu tried to keep it Grievous related!


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Controlling bad people IS mangement. Two pages of crap does not constitute a discussion.


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