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Info you may not know
For those who don't know this, there are two new fact about the matrix and Matrix reloaded.
1. The five other (ones) before neo were NOT human but actually computer programs. The architect told neo the others were "CREATED" to copy what the One would do if put in the situation to choose, and even thought the architect has been there before, he was surprized by neo reaction because his feeling were more geniue because unlike NEO computers cannot be program to express emotions...like LOVE.
In the first matrix the oracale told neo "that being the one is like being in love"
2. The oracle is not all seeing and all knowing, Remember she been there from the beginning so she been throught this five times already, so she pretty much what neo is going to do. (like when he knock over the vase in the first matrix)
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Oct 6th, 2003 07:45 PM |
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dave123
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u got it kinda wrong, the previous Ones were all human, just created as another form of control (as Neo is)
and the vase thing was a mind game, would he have knocked the vase over if she didnt say anything? its just showing that the oracle can control how neo acts with her wise words (also shown when neo saves morp because he doesnt think he is the One)
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Oct 6th, 2003 07:49 PM |
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SuperBlack Mack
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Good point, but look at it like its, If the previous ones were human why didn't they choose the door to the right if the feel the same thing as neo. Plus the archtiect told neo that when he choose the door on the right that "HOPE IS THE QUINTESSENTIAL HUMAN DELUSION" if the previous ones were human why would the architect say something like that.
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Oct 6th, 2003 07:57 PM |
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dave123
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al the Ones hade to make a decision (neo's was to save trin, EVERYONE had the other option), its just that the other Ones had a weaker emotion, maybe one of hate or similar??? (the door to your right leads to Smiths death....)
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Oct 6th, 2003 08:00 PM |
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priestjim
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What if the Archie wanted Neo to go through the left door? He knew the choice of Neo because he can read his mind. If he didn't want him to go through the left door he wouldn't have said that Trinity had entered the matrix.
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Oct 6th, 2003 08:08 PM |
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SuperBlack Mack
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Yes, but if the previous ones were put in the same situation just like neo example the battle in the merovingian, he said "your predecessor had more respect" meaning the the previous ones have been there and gone throught the samee thing.) Plus when Neo was fighting the Merovingain henchman, and one of them cut Neo hand and he bled. It shocked the merovingian and led he to said that Neo was "just a man." meaning he's weaker then the programs.
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Oct 6th, 2003 08:16 PM |
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What makes you think that Neo isn't a program? Hrmmm, interesting 
And don't any of you go spurting "It's impossible". It aint impossible, it's inevitable 
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Oct 6th, 2003 08:18 PM |
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SuperBlack Mack
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The architect wouldn't play a mind trick like that on neo becuase he just assume that Neo was no different from the others and pick the door on the left. The architect told neo about trinity because the architect never had to place the previous ones up against a decision of love a true human emotion which can not be replicaed by a computer program. A computer can be program to do ever thing a human can do but express feeling love, hate, fear, etc. that why the agents do what the do...jumping from building to building car to car.. they don't fear death or injury. they don't hate Neo, their just doing what they were program to do.
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Oct 6th, 2003 08:30 PM |
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furryman
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It is interesting, reading your reactions. Your 5 predecessors were, by design, based on a similar predication - a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the One. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific - vis a vis love.
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Oct 6th, 2003 08:36 PM |
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SuperBlack Mack
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Thank you BURLY MAN, You just help me prove my point that the previous one were COMPUTER PROGRAMS and not human. Neo predecessors were design to act just like the one, even down the what his emotion would be, but since computer cannot express emotion that is why Neo is more genuine, because it is a human emotion. Which even the architect cannot understand.
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Oct 6th, 2003 08:43 PM |
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SuperBlack Mack
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This also why no one knows about the previous ones, because it happen in the matrix.
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Oct 6th, 2003 08:45 PM |
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furryman
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i dont think they are programs.
there were 5 other Ones in the real world, 5 other Zions.
There are only two possible explanations, either no one told me, or no one knows.
well Morpheus knew about the last one
he wouldnt have known about the other 5 because the other 4 previous ones didnt tell
Hamann might know though
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Oct 6th, 2003 08:46 PM |
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Oct 6th, 2003 08:48 PM |
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SuperBlack Mack
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Morpheus doesn't know about the last one nor does he knows about the previous ones, all he knows is he is the one who will find the one,
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Oct 6th, 2003 08:55 PM |
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furryman
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did you watch the film The Matrix (please log in to view the image)
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Oct 6th, 2003 08:55 PM |
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SuperBlack Mack
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Yes, i did, if your referred to when morpheus said "that there was a man born into the matrix who freed the first of us" yeah your right i forgot about that. sorry.
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Oct 6th, 2003 09:08 PM |
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Sifer
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Hrmmm, what about Smith, he has emotions
"I HATE this place, this zoo..."
"I watched you die, with a certain satisfaction I might add"
Or the 2 programs who created the child. They sold the Oracle's termination code out of LOVE for their child. Then there is Persephone who can FEEL love through the use of her very tasty lips
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Oct 6th, 2003 09:10 PM |
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furryman
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exactly
even hugo weaving says it on Revisited
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Oct 6th, 2003 09:11 PM |
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Sifer
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Hrmm but to be honest, the word "satisfaction" can be taken a few ways and some not relevant to "emotion". As he does say "with a CERTAIN satisfaction...". He does not imply which Here are few: (dictionary.com)
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a. The fulfillment or gratification of a desire, need, or appetite.
b. Pleasure or contentment derived from such gratification.
c. A source or means of gratification.
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a. Compensation for injury or loss; reparation.
b. The opportunity to avenge a wrong; vindication.
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Assurance beyond doubt or question; complete conviction.
But we DEFINATELY know he can hate and that IS an emotion.
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Oct 6th, 2003 09:14 PM |
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burlyman: Indeed he does. I'm pretty bored right now, so I think I will go watch it again
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