A BIG ? has been hovering in my head lately, don’t know what it is so I decided to watch the whole trilogy all over again.
This time, my thought has taken a 180 degree U Turn.
That all began with my first post here – “Why the Matrix was created?!”, n one of the forum fella said besides energy, the machine also wanna to take revenge to human, to manipulate us like we used to do to them.
Well, we couldn’t be more wrong.
We have been its’ guinea pigs all along! The machines, or the AI, was not revenging, they r LEARNING from us. Why was that?
The phrase stood up from others right after I re-watched the films is the one repeated by the Oracle over n over again, more or less like this, “U already made the choice, u only needed to find out why u made it.”
And this, is the whole idea of the trilogy! The AI was in pursuit of an answer that only we human guinea pigs have: CREATIVITY and the way we handle UNCERTAINTIES. We’re used by the Oracle, the Archie, as a whole, the AI, to upgrade themselves to an ultimate life form, to climb to the paramount of their own evolution.
And the dawn of that new era was marked by the sunrise, their own sunrise, created by Sati, the brainchild of the 6th n final upgrade of the Matrix. The title of the last episode, Revolution, is not for us, but for the machines.
Its certainly an interesting theory, and one worth thinking about.
It doesn't seem very strong of a theme throughout the movies considering everything else that goes on and your basing almost everything on that one line and your interpretation of the sunrise, which isn't a very strong argument.
I don't agree at this point in time.
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how the hell do you get these theories? I mean the machines getting revenge on humans. It was told that we were only used as an energy source. I could see how you would say they are learning off of us. I mean that would explain the need for the matrix. Man can live on and discover new technology. but thats al i can see
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It's also control. The Matrix keeps the humans under control so that they can change them into batteries for energy. But people still are gunna be unplugged from the matrix, and that still makes them human. They do play an essential part in this trilogy, and I don't think you can rid of them. Although the peace won't last, we still need humans to survive (but not exactly in the terms of the machines)
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Just check out the biological meaning of the Matrix n here is what I found about babies brain that r quite interesting: "......the germinal matrix r the area contains cells that will migrate to populate the developing brain......"
Matrix.....Brain Development......!!
Isn't that obvious? The AI needed us to help them to development their BRAIN, to breakthrough the frame of digital/logical 0101 way of thinking!!!!
Christ, no, this is ludicrous over-complication. Accept the scenario as given- the Machines were using us for power for survival and so exercise control.
This sounds like one of those poor quality Sati plotlines that some fans tried to guess at.
It should be abundantly clear that the Machines don;t think they have anything to learn from us- only the Renegade ones see any benefit in humanity.
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but they dont use binary, they use quantum computer power...and if the humans aren't needed anymore, then why keep the humans alive?why not just have Neo kill Smith, and then destroy the humans?
And it is also clear that whilst the main body of machines think in very logical lines, that is only because they CHOSE to. The films make it very clear that plenty of programmes have the same kind of way of operating as humans- the Merovingian, Twins, Persephone and Oracle are certainly not in a 0 and 1 way of thinking.
I think the machines would be insulted by this idea...
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Me over-complicated? Or u who prefer an easy way out?
C'mon, the machines have squashed us like fly, survived the nuke attack, dominant the whole planet n yet, they need our bodies to supply energy?! Isn't that ridiculous??
To exercise control? In some way yes, but what is the motivation? Just for the sake of it? Don't think so, they r far more pragmatic than this, there gotta be a reason behind all these troublesome arrangement.
EXACTLY! Funny that u mentioned Merv n twins just on time.
Remember what pragramme they r? Bingo, rogue programme, n why is that? One of the reasons is they REFUSED to be deleted, n why the AI wanna to delete them? Partly because they r no longer useful or do not have a particular reason to keep.
AND THAT, is the problem of the AI!
Logically it just deleted them, dumped all these USELESS programme into the rubbish bin, it didn't realized that these useless programme r indeed VER USEFUL for developing a higher class of civilization, just like in human history, without keeping n dug into those numerous "funny n crappy" ideas and theories (ask guys like Galileo), our technology might still be 300 years backward!
The AI knows that! That's what it wanna to learn from us! The "useless-but-of-utmost-importance programme" namely Sati is the living proof!
the architect says the machines could live without humans - "levels of survival we are willing to accept" so in theory they could be keeping us alive to learn off us. (as well as a power source)
If all the machines were after was power why not use cows instead of humans? They could kill us all and humans would no longer be a threat.
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Not completely. I belive there is a reseaon they use humans...what it is I havn't figured out yet.
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If you rember the head councilmans speech to NEO " What is control?" They could smash the "machines" in Zion to bits....but what would happen to the water and air? I belive it works the same wya for the machines. But what do they use us for?
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OK, even if they used quantum, that would only made them "faster", but still lacking of the essence of human creativity.
As fo why the Archie agreed to release those who wanna to be freed? I dunno, may we r now so dispensible n he just don't care anymore, a sign of gratitude maybe? Afterall, we r their mentor.
I'll throw in some chips on this.
I think the "machines use humans for power-nothing else" is the silliest theory given the complexity of the story in ANY form. The None has a good theory and it is something I haven't seen before which does make sense to me.
YOU CHOOSE to look at all machines and programs as some are good and helpful and others are bad. WHAT IF they are ALL a level of control and the Matrix, while also a power source that I personally believe the machines have no fear of it ever being compromised, is also a simulator of sort...
That is that the machines only purpose is survival, they COULD eventually want LOVE, FRIENDSHIP, LOYALTY, ETC or at least an undestanding of these things. Those are the things that make us human and machines and programs could come to envy this. Assuming their justifiable feeling of superiority, they could also believe they can just learn it from the humans through interaction and scenarios...
Maybe the MAtrix restarts once the SIMULATION is complete and they record their data and start over...
It IS a reach when you look at the movie as a whole but a valid arguement at least if your perception that the machines and programs are not on our side AT ALL!!!! I personally like that thought as a twist but who knows...
Has there EVER been anything about extended DVD's??? I will try the search feature...
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