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In the novel it initially compares immature!cheating!Boruto to Momoshiki in that manner.

In the final fight, however, it contrasts them; the boy who fights alongside his father VS the boy who ate his father.

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Anyway, as far as my analysis of the New!Gen Gokage goes... Yeah. Sans Naruto, of course, these Gokage do seem to be weaker individually (with the exception of Choujirou). However, as a unit, their teamwork is absolutely incredible; they're completely in sync and have developed super effective combination techniques. In this regard, I would say they make a more effective squad than the former Gokage. Still, the lack of Particle Style really makes me question...

Anyway, as for the strength of these new Otsutsuki... I've been talking about it for a while, but I'm constantly learning more about them. One thing that is immediately obvious is that they're very specialized; one-trick ponies.

Kinshiki is the more well-rounded of the two. His jutsu allows him to move at lightning-like speeds, and gives him incredible physical strength; enough on both accounts to overwhelm Sasuke in their Taijutsu bouts. His energy weapons are powerful; he can change their shape and size at any time to fit the needs of the moment, and he can summon several of them at once, even using them as projectiles. They are far more durable than normal weapons, but still can't withstand a Sasuke's Chidori very well. He seems expert enough in Taijutsu/Bukijutsu, and has the added advantages of flight and the Byakugan. He certainly doesn't have the air of invincibility that a Juubi Jinchuriki tends to have by any means, but he's tough~

Momoshiki is less outright dominating, but his physicals and Taijutsu are still excellent. With his Byakugan and Taijutsu skills alone, he was able to hold his ground against Gaara and Darui pretty well, but was overwhelmed when Naruto came into the fray. However, he has the power to absorb any and all Ninjutsu, and he can store them indefinitely (once he fires them, he loses them though). When he fires these Ninjutsu, he amplifies them several times over, turning mid-level fire style jutsu into fire explosions that could destroy half of the Chuunin Exam's stadium. That being said, he has no Ninjutsu of his own other than the ability to warp to and fro his dimension and create those black rods. Oh, and he eats these Cinnabar Panacea pills--typically when he's about to amplify and fire absorbed Jutsu--which massively boost his chakra in a manner resemblant of food pills.

When Momoshiki devours Kinshiki, however, the game changes completely. He becomes very Kaguya-like in his abilities once he does, actually, in ways that I'll explain in a later post. She'd still stomp him without a Zetsu army, though.

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So Kinshiki for SS-, Momoshiki for anywhere between S to SS-, and Momoshiki (Kinshiki absorbed) for SS+/SSS-, going off your statements mostly?


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Don't get me wrong; Momoshiki is superior to Kinshiki; but only because of his jutsu absorption, which is extremely OP. As I mentioned before, there is *no* limit to his absorption, and he amplifies the power of his absorbed techniques exponentially.

As a basic reference, it's safe to say Kinshiki could be defeated by a joint team of 3-ish Kage. In other words, he'd lose to Madara or Hashirama, but only after a very hard fight.

As for Momoshiki (Kinshiki Absorbed), I'd say you're selling him a little short too. Just like before, he has complete dominance over chakra and ninjutsu; and his ability to amplify them is greatly enhanced. EX: He was able to amp up Konohamaru's rasengan to island+ level, and Shikamaru's shadow possession to the point where he could trap all of the Gokage with it easily. On top of that, he has the chakra of two Otsutsuki, plus all of the chakra he siphoned from the population of his dimension. While within his dimension, he can control the environment in a manner not unlike Kaguya; he was able to create giant monsters from lava and wood and stone on the fly, amongst various other things like telekinetically manipulating the rocks. He has the malleable chakra weapons, which he uses much more creatively than his predecessor, as well as the same strength and speed enhancing jutsu as Kinshiki, allowing him to keep up with BSM Naruto and Sasuke at the same time in a Taijutsu bout. He has 3 fully fledged Rinnegan, the Byakugan, Black Chakra Rods, and summonable Cinnabar Pancea Pills/Chakra Fruits that he can devour to temporarily skyrocket his power. He's very formidable, I doubt Juubito could handle him.

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So kind of like Kisame then, who, due to his chakra absorption, is really good against ninjas with lots of chakra/Ninjutsu, but not as good against Taijutsu ninjas.

Okay, SSS for Momoshiki (Kinshiki absorbed) then I guess. Q99's list has Obito (Juubi Jin) in that tier, as well as Madara (Juubi Jin w. 1 Rinnegan) and EoS Naruto/Sasuke, so that version of Momoshiki would fall somewhere between Obito and the other guys.


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Hidan is Kishimoto's favorite villain.

I'm done, lol.

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It looks like Gyuuki 's chakra amounts to 4 panacea pills. Momoshiki ate 5 before spawning that mega Rasengan that got trashed by Boruto's. Kek.

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And replacing Springtime of Youth, a new Sasuke series.


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So "Sasuke and the Magic Eye pt.2" is actually going to be a thing?

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Post-series update!

Stats:

SSSS
Kaguya Ōtsutsuki

SSSS-
Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki (Juubi Jinchuuriki)

SSS+
Madara Uchiha (Juubi Jinchuuriki, two rinnegan)

SSS
Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki (Vs Kaguya)
Hamura Ōtsutsuki (Vs Kaguya)
Madara Uchiha (Juubi Jinchuuriki, one rinnegan)
Momoshiki Ōtsutsuki (Kinshiki absorbed)
Naruto Uzumaki (Yang sage chakra)
Obito (Juubi Jinchuuriki)
Sasuke Uchiha (Yin sage chakra)


SSS-
Juubi (Incomplete)
Might Gai (8 Gates)

SS+
Kakashi Hatake (Perfect Susano'o + Obito's chakra)
Madara Uchiha (living w/ Rinnegan + Wood + Sage mode)^
Naruto Uzumaki (Kurama partnership with Power Lending/Sage Chakra)

SS
Asura Ōtsutsuki
Hashirama^
Indra Ōtsutsuki
Madara Uchiha (EMS only / ET with Rinnegan + Wood)^
Naruto Uzumaki (Full Partnership)
Obito (Jinchuuriki Paths)^

SS-
Kinshiki Ōtsutsukifor
Kurama (Full power)
Minato Namikaze (Jinchuuriki)
Momoshiki Ōtsutsuki
Nagato (Pain or Solo)
Sasuke Uchiha (EMS)
Tobirama (Edo)* (Tobirama is the only Edo that gets a separate ranking, because he has edo-specific jutsu like his giant repeat blow-up explosion)

S+
Itachi Uchiha
Izuna Uchiha
Gedō Mazō
Gyūki
Kabuto Yakushi (Post-Merged Sage)*
Kakashi Hatake (Mastered Kamui)
Killerbee
Minato Namikaze
Mito Uzumaki
Muu
Naruto Uzumaki (Kyuubi chakra mode)
Obito (Sharingan only)^
Onoki
Sakura Haruno (Yin seal)
Sasuke Uchiha (Complete Susano'o)
Second Mizukage
Third Raikage
Tobirama (alive)*
Yagura

S
A (Raikage)
Chōjūrō (Mizukage)
Danzo (with implant jutsu)
Darui (Raikage)
Deidara
Deva Path (Yahiko/Pain)
Fū (Jinchuuriki)
Gaara (Kazekage)
Hiruzen (Healthy or Edo)
Jiraiya
Kurotsuchi (Tsuchikage)
Han
Kakashi Hatake (Hokage/Post sharingan)
Kakuzu
Kisame Hoshigaki (with Samehada)
Konan*
Kushina Uzumaki
Manda II
Mei Terumi
Might Gai (part 2)
Naruto Uzumaki (Sage Mode)*
Orochimaru*
Roshi
Sandaime Kazekage (3rd)
Sasori
Sasuke Uchiha (Orochimaru merge/mangekyo w/incomplete susano'o)
Shukaku
Tsunade
Utakata
Yondaime Kazekage (4th)
Yugito Nii

S-
Chiyo
Dan Katō
Danzo (without implant jutsu)
Darui
Fukasaku
Ginkaku
Hidan
Hiruzen Sarutobi (Old)
Kakashi Hatake (start of part 2)
Kimimaro Kaguya (healthy)
Kinkaku
Kisame Hoshigaki (without Samehada)
Kitsuchi
Mangetsu Hōzuki (Swords)
Mifune
Might Dai (8 Gates)
Sasuke Uchiha (start of part 2)
Shima
Shin Uchiha
Shisui Uchiha
Zetsu (Black half or Complete)

*These characters have jutsu that require specific preparation that can't be done mid combat but increase their ability significantly, such as Edo Tensei, preparing multiple sage-mode charges, or readying unusual amounts of explosive tags.

^These characters have high-level Biju control of tailed beasts outside of their bodies.


A+
Animal Path (Pain)
Asuma Sarutobi
Asura Path (Pain)
Enma
Hiashi Hyuuga
Ibuse the Salamander
Jūgo
Kabuto Yakushi
Kakashi Hatake (part 1)
Kimimaro Kaguya (sick)
Mangetsu Hōzuki (No swords)
Might Gai (part 1)
Multi-Headed Dog
Suigetsu Hōzuki
Suikazan Fuguki (Samehada)
Yamato
Zabuza Momochi

A
Ao
Baki
Baku
Dodai
Fū (ANBU)
Gaara (Sasuke Retrieval)
Gamabunta
Gari
Giant Clam
Hizashi Hyuuga
Human Path (Pain)
Kankurō (with Sasori puppet)
Katsuyu
Killer Bee (Young, Minato fight)
Kurenai Yuhi
Kurotsuchi
Manda
Munashi Jinpachi
Naruto Uzumaki (post elemental training)
Neji Hyuuga (part 2)
Pakura
Ringo Ameyuri
Sasori (Sans puppet arsenal)
Torune

A-
C
Chōjūrō
Chōji Akimichi (Asuma Fight)
Chōza Akimichi
Gamahiro
Gamaken
Inoichi Yamanaka
Jinin Akebino
Kushimaru Kuriarare
Kakko (Kakashi Gaiden)
Mabui
Naruto Uzumaki (start of part 2)
Preta Path (Pain)
Sai (post-emotions)
Samui
Shibi Aburame
Shikaku Nara
Shizune
Suikazan Fuguki (No sword)
Temari (start of part 2)

B+
Drill-Beaked Bird
Genma Shiranui
Haku
Ibiki Morino
Ino Yamanaka (4th Shinobi War)
Ittan
Kakashi Hatake (Kakashi Gaiden)
Kankurō (as of Sasori fight)
Kiba Inazuka (4th Shinobi War)
Mahiru
Naraka Path (Pain)
Naruto Uzumaki (One Tail)
Rock Lee (part 2)
Sai (start)
Sakura Haruno (part 2)
Sasuke Uchiha (VotE)
Shikamaru Nara (4th Shinobi War)
Shin Uchiha (Strongest clone)
Snake-Tailed Chameleon

B
Anko Mitarashi
Gaara (Chuunin Exam)
Giant Crab/Ox/Panda/Rhino
Hinata Hyuuga (4th Shinobi War)
Kamatari
Kankurō (Sasuke Retrieval)
Karui
Omoi
Sakon/Ukon
Shino Aburame (part 2)
Shikamaru Nara (part 2)
Taiseki (Kakashi Gaiden)
Temari (Sasuke Retrieval)
Three Great Snakes
Toroi
Tsume Inuzuka

B-
Aoba Yamashiro
Atsui
Chōji Akimichi (start of part 2)
Doki
Giant Centipedes
Hayate Gekkō
Hinata Hyuuga (part 2)
Jirōbō
Kabuto Yakushi (Iwa flashback)
Kiba Inazuka (part 2)
Kidōmaru
Neji Hyuuga (Sasuke Retrieval)
Nonō Yakushi
Shin (Root)
Shin Uchiha (clones)
Tayuya
Tenten (Part 2)

C+
Chōchō Akimichi (Chunin exam)
Ebisu
Ino Yamanaka (start of part 2)
Karin
Naruto Uzumaki (Post Rasengan Training)
Neji Hyuga (Chunin exam)
Rock Lee (Chunin exam)
Sarada Uchiha (Sharingan)
Sasuke Uchiha (Chunin exam finals)
Shikamaru Nara (Sasuke Retrieval)
Temari (Chunin exam)
White Zetsu Clone

C
Dosu
Iruka
Izumo Kamizuki
Kankuro (Chunin exam)
Konohamaru Sarutobi (part 2)
Kotetsu Hagane
Obito Uchiha (Sharingan)
Rin
Sasuke Uchiha (Sharingan)
Shikamaru Nara (Chunin exam)
Shino Aburame (Chunin exam)
Yashamaru

C-
Gōzu (Demon Brother)
Kiba Inazuka (Chunin exam)
Meizu (Demon Brother)
Mizuki
Naruto Uzumaki (Post clone jutsu)
Obito Uchiha (pre-Sharingan)
Sasuke Uchiha (pre-Sharingan)
Shigure

D+
Chōchō Akimichi (Gaiden)
Chōji Akimichi (Chunin exam)
Hinata Hyuga (part 1)
Ino Yamanaka (Chunin exam)
Kin
Oboro
Tenten (Chunin exam)
Zaku

D
Misumi Tsurugi
Sakura Haruno (Chunin exam)
Sarada Uchiha (Gaiden start)
Yoroi Akadō

D-
Rock Lee (Just graduated Genin)
Sakura Haruno (Start)

E+
Naruto Uzumaki (pre-clone jutsu)

E
Waraji
Zōri

E-
Konohamaru Sarutobi (start)
Rock Lee (Academy flashback)





New ranks:

Kinshiki Ōtsutsukifor SS-
Momoshiki Ōtsutsuki SS-
Momoshiki Ōtsutsuki (Kinshiki absorbed) SSS

Asura Ōtsutsuki SS
Indra Ōtsutsuki SS

Shin Uchiha S-
Shin Uchiha (first clone/strongest clone) B+
Shin Uchiha (clones) B-

Samui A-
Mabui A-
Karui B
Atsui B-

Sarada Uchiha (Gaiden Start) D
Sarada Uchiha (Sharingan) C+

Chōchō Akimichi (Gaiden) D+
Chōchō Akimichi (Chunin Exam) C+ -Didn't discuss this one out, but she can use the supersize technique without pills!

Kiba Inazuka (4th Shinobi War) from B to B+

Any suggestions/objections/things I left out?


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Kinshiki Ōtsutsukifor?

Do Sasuke and Naruto (Boruto/The LAST) warrant a ranking? Lee also busts a meteor in the LAST apparently.


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Kinshiki Ōtsutsukifor?



Dunno how that typo happened, but it did ^^

Oh, I realize there's one more Ōtsutsuki- Toneri Ōtsutsuki. I didn't see his movie, but opinions?

Guess Boruto and Himawari Uzumaki could get rated too...


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Maybe SSS- for The Last&Boruto movie Naruto and Sasuke. They may not be as powerful as they were when they first got the Hagoromo amp but they're still powerful and have been able to reasonably compensate. For example Naruto may no longer uses the Juubi cloak or have goudama but does have complete Kurama.

Lee split a meteor in half but Sasuke's the one that destroyed it.

Tonrei is a bit iffy. While he has a more impressive feat than Juubito, Naruto beat him using what appeared to be KCM so I'm not sure.

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I would contest a few of those new rankings, but I have enough disagreements with your other rankings that it's difficult to tell you how I would change them.

Sasuke as of Boruto is still (probably) weaker than Madara living w/Rinnegan+Sage+Wood; his Rinnegan techs are inferior, he lacks the healing powers, he lacks the Mokuton, he lacks the Mazou, and his skills probably aren't enough to save him. By extension Naruto may be too. That being said both are far and beyond their level pre-Hagoromo, which makes working it into your list very difficult.

Naruto pre-Hagoromo just isn't better than Hashirama. He possesses a similar measure of chakra (with 1/2 Kurama+Senjutsu), and similar regenerative powers, but he simply falls short in every other area. This should be clear by how dismissive Madara is of him every time they fight, frankly; and Naruto has no answer to the Thousand Hand Statue at this point. That being said, Asura and Indra should honestly be anywhere between SS+ and SSS.

Toneri? I'd throw him in SS or SS+.

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You say Naruto pre-Hagoromo is not better than Hashirama yet you have no problem putting Toneri in that tier? Toneri lost to an empirically weaker Naruto.


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You say Naruto pre-Hagoromo is not better than Hashirama yet you have no problem putting Toneri in that tier? Toneri lost to an empirically weaker Naruto.


Empirically weaker? Can't say I follow your logic.

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Empirically weaker? Can't say I follow your logic.
Toneri is more powerful then pre-Hagoromo Naruto.


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Empirically weaker? Can't say I follow your logic.


He lost to Naruto while Kurama was off doing something else. Naruto in his base form, with the chakra only around his hand, stopped the moon splitting attack and curbed him pretty solidly. Naruto is certainly more powerful working with Kurama than Naruto on his own.


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Taking Tonrei's moon splitting attack into account, do you guys think that Naruto beating it may make him(The Last) more powerful thank Juubito? We already know that Naruto with 1/2 Kurama and Sage Mode is inferior to Juubito but because of that moon splitting feat, wouldn't that mean that in the 2 years since VoTE pt.2 Naruto became much more powerful at base, lesser forms than he was when he was fresh off his Hagoromo powerful. Though that would make him more powerful than he was during the Kaguya/Sasuke fights which I find iffy as we saw him used up most of the other biju's chakra and loose all of his goudama.

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