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CatL18
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How powerful is Cosmic Armor Superman?

According to Morrison's interview in Final Crisis, CAS seems to be invincivle.
CAS is literal plot device powerd by Superman's strory that is american myth.
even Omnipotent Gods aka writer's avatar like TOAA will not be able to vanish his Story becaus his Story is too big and important for pop culture.
But, in many forum like CV,moviecodec,etc, CAS is treated as only universal or multiversal. and Power of story is treated as ridiculous wank.
So, I wonder how powerful is CAS.

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Do you think that power of the Story is ridiculous and useless?

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As you said it was made to be invincible, to adapt on the fly against any threat. It is Supermans story which is indeed bigger than the writers and artist, because it is more famous, because Superman is an icon and will be remembered by more people than those who write about him.
I would put it on the top level where Morrison meant it to be, with concepts like TOAA and Presence and the Overmonitor.

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Hyperbolic statements IMO do not make definitive evidence in the least.


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Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
As you said it was made to be invincible, to adapt on the fly against any threat. It is Supermans story which is indeed bigger than the writers and artist, because it is more famous, because Superman is an icon and will be remembered by more people than those who write about him.
I would put it on the top level where Morrison meant it to be, with concepts like TOAA and Presence and the Overmonitor.

Thanks.
Now, Why is CAS's concept treated as ridiculous?
Do they ignore statement?

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Thanks.
Now, Why is CAS's concept treated as ridiculous?
Do they ignore statement?


You are welcome.
First, you need to know who treats it as ridiculous. Mostly people who didn't read the story or people who don't understand it (it was rather complex and required some comic book knowledge) or people who simply hate DC or Superman in general.
They ignore statements and they don't understand what Morrison wanted to achieve. It is a story, don't take it too serious, simply enjoy it and don't care about those who don't, to each his own. ^^

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Equals TOAA and such.

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This page insists that CAS and Mandrakk is only multi universal and weaker than Anti Monitor.

ttp://www.comicvine.com/profile/van_cere/lists/dc-tiers-list-finished/53871/

What do you think?

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This page insists that CAS and Mandrakk is only multi universal and weaker than Anti Monitor.

ttp://www.comicvine.com/profile/van_cere/lists/dc-tiers-list-finished/53871/

What do you think?
Far weaker than that IMO. Hyperbole isn't proof.


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Far weaker than that IMO. Hyperbole isn't proof.

You seem to hate CAS, even Superman.

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Hyperbolic statements IMO do not make definitive evidence in the least.


The fact is that your hate just makes the CA stronger


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You seem to hate CAS, even Superman.


He does, he stated numerous times that he hates Superman.

Anyway, in FC it was clear that the CA and Mandrakk are the very definition of good vs evil and the top of this kind of story. Good wins in the end, Supermans story is too big. They were both more than Multiversal, they were as big as you can be in the DC-Verse.

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As you said it was made to be invincible, to adapt on the fly against any threat. It is Supermans story which is indeed bigger than the writers and artist, because it is more famous, because Superman is an icon and will be remembered by more people than those who write about him.
I would put it on the top level where Morrison meant it to be, with concepts like TOAA and Presence and the Overmonitor.


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I know that strength of Cosmic Armor depends on how you would interpret Morrison's metafictional concept of Plot and Heroism.
So Some deny it, Other limitedly acccept it but treat him below Near Supreme Being like Lucifer, I can understand that. But it is not what I want to know.
If We accept and appriciate Morrison's interpretation of Plot and Heroism, How powerful does CAS become?

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How powerful? CAS is effectively an avatar, the unfettered will of the writer incarnated into the story, and able to dominate any and all fictional elements, including other characters. He loses a fight only if the writer chooses to lose.

At least, this is how I interpret CAS.


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How powerful? CAS is effectively an avatar, the unfettered will of the writer incarnated into the story, and able to dominate any and all fictional elements, including other characters. He loses a fight only if the writer chooses to lose.

At least, this is how I interpret CAS.

Agree.
It is Deus Ex Machina which is incarnated to Plot and Concept of "Heroism"
So I think that no one related to Super Hero gene can stand up to CAS.

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I don't know man. The heat of ten billion suns messed him up pretty bad. (please log in to view the image)


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I don't know man. The heat of ten billion suns messed him up pretty bad. (please log in to view the image)


No, the blood of the DC multiverse didn't do jack shit to the CA.

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How powerful? CAS is effectively an avatar, the unfettered will of the writer incarnated into the story, and able to dominate any and all fictional elements, including other characters. He loses a fight only if the writer chooses to lose.

At least, this is how I interpret CAS.


But even so the concept of Superman, his story which is the power source of the CA, without it it's just powerless, is bigger than the humans in our world. We are here and die one day, if we have children they will remember us, their chrildren maybe but after it we are forgotten, even if we write a book or two, we are insignificant. The Story of Superman will prevail and I think that this is what morrison wanted to tell us. Superman will always save the day, his story will always be there, even if insignificant humans like him or us are forgotten. It can't get bigger than a concept, an idea and this is what the CA represents, or better said Supermans story. Everything comes from Superman, as already said by Alexander Luthor. Without his appearance we might even have no Superheroes or if, they might have been differen't ones, no Hulk, no Spiderman, no Captain Marvel etc.

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No, the blood of the DC multiverse didn't do jack shit to the CA.
Meh, it's splitting hairs. The blood of the multiverse=the heat of 10 billion suns, and vice versa.

Regardless which verbiage you opt for, you're correct when you say that particular attack didn't cause any visible/lasting damage.


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