It would more than likely be Exar Kun since Ragnos is unknown, but otherwise I would go with Ragnos. Kun for sure has more abilities than Nihilus, and this has been proven.
Let me use your logic. Until Nihilus rules the sith empire untouched for over a century, has titanic force abilities, can freeze the entire senate chamber, and pump a constant energy beam, he's not even close to Kun or Ragnos.
If you tthink ruling a Sith Empire somehow, having exotic Force abilities, freezing time in the Senate chamber and pumping a constant beam of energy from an amulet is more impressive than consuming the energy from an entire planet...then I can't help you.
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Is this thread talking about who could defeat who in combat, or who in general has more stronger abilities with the Force?
Nihilus would be THE strongest, since he can just kill life using the Force. But in terms of magnitude of power, Ragnos. He may be rather unknown, but honestly, ruling over an empire of bloodthirsty, back-stabbing Dark Siders for over a century... UNOPPOSED, is f*ckin' ridiculous.
Kun may be powerful, but take away that amulet, compare his empire to the Ancient's, and compare Ragnos' exotic ubertastical (overblown) abilities to his, then freezing the Senate (Senators....oooohhhhh!), isn't that great of a feat. In comparison that is.
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Kun's amulet shouldn't even be discussed here TG, since it was only a small part of his power. You forgot his "black lightning", his senate stasis field, his force drain as a spirit, etc.
Nihilus = Drainining planets TK'ing fleets, mindraping and supporting the life of the people on the Ravager...while slowly draining them. That's something you can't disprove. Even if he doesn't hold the ship together, he does supply all the people on it the ability to live and function.
Ragnos = 0. He's done nothing.
Kun < TK'ing a fleet out of a gravity well.
You seriously are't running on fumes, DS. Your belief Nihilus has only one power and nothing more is utterly baseless and ridiculous.
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That's all I can say.
Why the hell does shooting out an amulet blast or paralyzing a Senate outweigh eating planets?
Stronger abilities in The Force.
Which puts Nihilus above Kun or Sadow or anyone except Sidious.
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Up close and personal combat, Kun tools Nihilus. If given time from a distance, Nihlius takes out Kun.
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If you meant hundreds of thousands, you're wrong. Lightsnake said the Senate had at its most 4,000 people in it.
I thought they did know he was coming... I'll look that up.
And I'm not talking about his uber-Force drain. More the one he used on Sion in teh cut stuff and tried to use on the Exile. There seems to be a difference as he doesn't speak using that one but from Marr's words, he says something when he destroyed Katarr and that implies it requires an incantation or voicing.
Kyp definitely has more raw potential than Kun even when he was alive.
And do we even know in what proportion that attack was? Do we know how much of it was Kun and how much was Kyp?
He could simply do what I've already said and create a vacuum around there head or destroy them with objects using TK.
The fallanasi...when they loop out of The Force, they'r eimmune to Force attacks? Even being bludgened by heavy objects?
Nihilus can use his drain instantly.
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....that's why, ya know, I kinda said ALSO the bit with the Exile... I was citing two examples. And I even said outright it was cut.
You're desperate for ammo.
No blackholes moved by Exar Kun.
They were both attacking Luke.
The hell are you talking about?
I'm talking about Nihilus vs. a Vong. And it's a canon use of The Force by a weak, battere and desperate Tahiri (uber-Force user...?) to be able to create a vacuum around a Vong's head.
I'd dare say Nihilus can do it if he had knowledge of the Vong's immunity to the Force...which doesn't exist since a Force technique killed them. in fact, who ever said they are immune to Force attacks? We have a Force attack on them and killing them instantly. Why wouldn't plain old Force lightning destroy them?
I highly doubt it.
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According to advent, they had hunderds and thousands
They dont. Visas stated in the comic that they are unaware that they are going to die
Kyp wasnt strong at that time, kun > kyp as of that time
Kun uses entire darkside of the planet against luke. As yodas greatest feat was shifting the entire dark side in the planet to one cae,
And kun cannot start an amulet blast before nihilus does? Nihilus is a moron, he didnt try to kill mandalore or the exile when they walked up to him, He merely stunned them so what makes you think that nihilus will attack on sight?
His drain simply wont work as i was saying
Prove it, while kuns amulet blast will dissintigrate him utterly
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Right moving a black hole with TK means your uber. Then i guess kyp > sidious because sidious only at most lifted a 19km SSD and buried it in coruscanty with TK
Well i think its actually kun possessed kyp, and Kun amplified kyps power
Kyp with barely any training could guide the Millenium Falcon through the Maw Cluster...
And Kyp had been studying with Exar from what I remember.
And Kyp was attacking Luke also.
So...is there any proof Kun's offense was the main reason Luke was defeated? It's like debating if it was Kyp's own power that pulled the Sun Crusher from the star or if it was the power-up from Kun.
It's like the old samurai movies.
If Nihilus gets the drain, Kun dies. Kun gets amulet blast, Nihilus dies.
Uh...yes he did...that's why he was weakened.
And he was holding the Exile at his mercy from what I could see...
What makes you think Kun will amulet blast on sight?
I don't have to prove it's instant. We see it's instant. When he wanted to use it, he used it.
As I said, drain vs. amulet blast. Whichever comes fastest.
In terms of TK, yes, I'd say Kyp beats Sidious. Do we even have any feats of Force TK from Kun?
I read JA a long time ago so I can't remember but I thought it was pretty vague on just how much was Kyp's power and how much was Exar's. But I'm not sure and I'll readily admit i'm wrong if there's evidence to teh contrary.
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So?
So? Kyp still didnt know alot of things that kun knew, unless you want to provide a source which by the way you cant
So? it was kun using kyps body and amplifying his powers
Partly, but as i said its kun using kyp
Exactly
Right, after trying to intimidate the exile
He couldnt do shit to harm her, and from what i could see... An average force user tooled him
Because nihilus is a threat
Really? Iv seen force storm, we have seen its instant, When sidious wanted to use it, he used it, How does that sound? Oh right and banes lightning storm also took time but by going what you just said, it is instant also, Prove up or shut up which you have yet to do
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No we dont, but the fact remains that we have never seen nihilus use TK to kill an opponent other than choke, And sidious > kyp by the way. Kyp just did TK on a larger scale and thus doesnt mean he > sidious
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