Registered: Sep 2004
Location: The Last Circle of Hell
He couldnt give half a rat's ass. People commit supposed "sins" all over the world, and you think he gives a damn about every itty bitty one? Course not.
Yeah, I heard that the Catholic Church created the concept of hell and the devil in the 14th century to scare people in joining....wouldn't surprise me in the least.
The devil dislikes you. This is because he is evil. Not good/evil, evil. Good people like good deeds because they are benefited by them, and feed the happiness of their consionce. Bad people dislike bad deeds because bad deeds do bad things to others. The Devil shows this by torturing people for eternity. He dislikes people, so he tortures them.
He is clever, and will gain no happiness from you being happy. So if you're massicistic, then he'll find a way around it. I believe that the "Newsground" proposed torture of having a fat guy fart right next to you in an enclosed room wouldn't be pleasurable.
Finally, to the tipsy person, if someone approaches God and asks for their forgiveness, they get it. He could have a relationship with God if he wanted.
actually, I don't fully agree with this, silver.
the pre-hell concept was already made as around as early as the first preachers reaching europe. They created the idea of the realm of the shadows already at that point since the pagans in that region believed in that and they just couldn't force an entirely new religion to them
Actually the dualistic idea of a good "God" and an evil "Devil" came into Judaism during the captivity, as a result of the jews coming into contact with religions such as Zoroastrianism.... originally the Jews had no devil... God was in charge of everything, good and evil.... to the Jews Satan was gods faithful servant, who God used to test peoples faith, and was not the same as the rebel angel cast out during the power struggle in Heaven... (as an aside, isn't it interesting that a third of all the angels were backing the rebel cause?) This dualistic concept was passed through Judaism into Christianity, where it became influenced by Greek philosophy, and eventually by Pagan ideas from Rome and Germany... the rebel angel, Lucifer the Bringer of Light (one of Christ's earliest titles) and satan became one and the same, and God became wholly good.... looking at the evidence of the Talmud, Mishrad and Kabbalah, and ignoring the overtly Greek deism of Paul, the "Devil" is not interested in gaining an army of sinners, or in torturing them... according to the Bible, the "Devil" wants to rule in God's stead... that was his sin, along with mixing with humans, as did other angels... maybe he would have made a better ruler, maybe not... the mixing of humans and angels is portrayed in the Bible as disastrous for all concerned.... and according to the Bible, sinners do not get eternal damnation, but a quick end and total cancellation of their existence....
Silver Stardust> When you have some time on your hands, try to find out how MANY times the Bible mentions Lucifer…
Okay, it does that ONCE.
Kinda odd, Lucifer is a roman word, what is it doing in Hebrew texts??
Of course, it’s another faulty translation, Lucern ferre – bringer of light (Knock yourself out here http://www.lds-mormon.com/lucifer.shtml)
Anyways… The modern “visage” of the devil with horns, goat-legs and fur is definitely from, medieval times, when Christianity tried to suppress the old Father-God (from the Father-God-Mother-God duo), who was usually seen wearing dear-skin etc.
Ytaker> Not another sermon!!! How do YOU know this? You don’t.
Big Gay Kirk> Interesting. Zoroastrianism was the first monoteistic religion if I recall correctly? But when precisely did we get this One Good and One Evil? Do you know? Any links or stuff?
Some people feel ”attracted” to the concept of ”the devil”, simply because they’re surrounded by Christian who preach that everything which is fun is EVIL – not least of these being sex.
__________________ "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
-Voltaire
"That includes ruining Halloween because someone swallowed a Bible."
"I just thought you were a guy."
"... Most guys do."
This thread is weird.
The ones who really give a sh*t about their smallest sins, and think there's some red guy with huge horns waiting for them in HELL (litteraly), are really f*cked in the head!!!
Its kinda weird, though, in the 14th century or so, when the church made the law, everyone was like that
People were dumb.
As has been said before, The Devil, Beelzebub, Ol' Scratch, Lucifer, are all a lie, concocted by the church to scare us all into being good little robots. What kind of religion that is supposedly full of love and forgiveness threaten us with eternal damnation? A lie, that's what
Registered: Nov 2003
Location: Welfare Kingdom of California
From what I understand The Devil causes to accept as true or valid what is false or invalid. He is a deciever and a liar. At the same time he is also extremely intelligent and wise. But his wickedness does not permit him to see the light of salvation. Which is what JC possess.
Now, if you don't believe in the God, The Devil, and Angels that's fine. For me is interesting stuff. But let's make one thing clear that there are two types of evils (or so I been told)
One Evil is human wickedness. You know the stuff that humans do to hurt others.....lie, cheat, kill without no reason...etc.
And there is the Second evil...The Devil's Evilness......now this one according to certain Christian beliefs we have never experience. Because The Devil is lockup in Hell. When judgement day comes he is going to get released from the gates of hell and cause more suffering and pain on humanity far more worse than what history has recorded.
Do I belive in this stuff? I dunno...if it happens.....it happens. If it doesn't....It just doesn't. End of story.
Dec 31st, 2004 05:08 AM
