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the Darkone
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 Dark Phoenix vs. Yuga Khan
Dark Force
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May 18th, 2005 04:36 PM |
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Sir Whirlysplat
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Khan is at least as powerfful as Galactus. If you think the G would beat Phoenix go with Khan. If you don't go with Phoenix. Khan in a lot of ways is DC's Gman as he steals the life from planets to.
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May 18th, 2005 04:39 PM |
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Xplosive
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Useless, Phoenix wins.
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May 18th, 2005 04:49 PM |
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FieryBalrog
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Its hard to put Phoenix against anyone meaningful and have a good fight.
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May 18th, 2005 05:49 PM |
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eleveninches
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The phoenix force was defeated by a single shi'ar ship. Yaga would rape it to pieces
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May 20th, 2005 10:09 AM |
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GalacticStorm
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Silly boi. Jean allowed herself to be taken out as you well know. Also if youre referring to the cartoon then dont because its representation of characters in terms of powers and personality are inaccurate in comparison to the comics. Heres Markolins post which says it all basically:
"Even the Beyonder thought that noone could challenge his powers.
Thanos defeated Akhenaton,but Akhenaton had gained the HOTU from a different timeline.Tom Breevort has said that The End happened in an alternate reality.This is marvel's stance.This means that Thanos did not control the Multiverse,but only an alternate reality.Maybe there are other realities in which Akhenaton won,and other in which Doom succeded.Anyway to have power over the MUltiverse you must beabove it,not a part of it.When you introduce alternate realities you destroy the idea of power over the multiverse.
Thanos could probably overpower the LT because there are limits to the power the LT can employ in a single universe,as shown by what ifs or alternate realities in which he could not easily beat universal threats.
Furthermore,the LT uses M-bodies to manifest,and so do the other abstracts.They cannot manifest directly,and probably there is a limit to the power they can manifest through the m-bodies.
The Phoenix Force needs avatars to act because it exists on a higher plane of reality,just like the true Beyonders that can interact with our reality only through cosmic cubes.Did you see the True Beyonders in the End?Their universe was affected or not? Quite simply,they cannot be contained in the normal universe.
It would be like a human being trying to interact directly with bacteria or subatomic particles.In Nxm 154 Jean reformed the Universe and held it in her hands.And she was but one of countless phoenix avatars seen in the WHR,following the orders from the "voice" which was probably meant to represent God.
In the White Hot Room single Universes are seen as flickering points of light. In Morrison interpretation the phoenixes get incarnated to perform acts of microsurgery from the inside.When there is need of a "human viewpoint" for precision work.The M'Krann Crystal,if not repaired,would have destroyed all of reality:so jean had to become Phoenix.Thanos ultimately returned everything to the status quo in which it was before;so there was no need to intervene.The voice/consciousness and the phoenixes exist outside normal spacetime,and can see everything from beginning to End.Therefore they know when a crisis will resolve itself or not."
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May 20th, 2005 10:51 AM |
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GalacticStorm
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Yet creating or destroying a universe is nothing to a phoenix avatar. Jean as phoenix of the white crown telekinetically reformed a universe and rewound its timeline to get rid of a possible future. This was done on a whim. This happened in New Xmen at the end of the 'Here Comes Tomorrow ' story arc
The M'kraan crystal when unleashed was momentarily blinking out the multiverse and all its alternate realities. Despite Jean contained this effect and reenergised the energy matrix which held the neutron galaxy in place. She basically held together existence as it was coming apart at the seams. That is one of the highest feats ever achieved by any being in Marvel Comics.
Phoenix was also the being responsible for linking all the alternate realities and universes in the multiverse together. It projected a doorway through each every different reality.
Yuga Khan pales in comparison to what jean as the phoenix of the white crown can do. Sorry guys.
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May 20th, 2005 11:05 AM |
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Cosmic Cube
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Please, stop with the Dark Phoenix threads.
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May 20th, 2005 01:51 PM |
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