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Smile The Phoenix Force: Where does it say in any comic Phoenix is part of God?

If anyone has a scan - could this please be posted smile


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To paraphrase Austin Powers:
"Troll. Bloody troll. We aren't supposed to talk about the bloody troll, but there's a bloody troll winking me in the face. I want to c-u-u-t it off, ch-o-o-p it off, and make guacatrolly." laughing out loud


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Well, it has been stated by Marvel that it was the Phoenix Force, and not eternity, that saved Galactus from dying in the Big Crunch when the previous universe ended.


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Well, it has been stated by Marvel that it was the Phoenix Force, and not eternity, that saved Galactus from dying in the Big Crunch when the previous universe ended.


Yes but it was the "Phoenix force of "that" universe" quote, unquote - What's God got to do with it? As the old song says confused or was that lovesmile


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To paraphrase Austin Powers:
"Troll. Bloody troll. We aren't supposed to talk about the bloody troll, but there's a bloody troll winking me in the face. I want to c-u-u-t it off, ch-o-o-p it off, and make guacatrolly." laughing out loud


X are you I hate Whirly? confused


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laughing out loud No whirly I like your sardonic humour.

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I think Ihatewhirly is a part of all of us, and we are all a part of him (or her)

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Re: The Phoenix Force: Where does it say in any comic Phoenix is part of God?

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If anyone has a scan - could this please be posted smile

ha it doesn't

heck the creation part is in jeopardy rite now

Seem Reed is the creator of the Universal

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a very good thread,,indeed it does not say anywhere.....she only exists as part of god in GS's brain and thats cause he is like 37% of the time drunk....


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That's the thing about being a fanboy of the top 2 or 3 most powerful people in Marvel....it changes at least once every 10 years.


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That's the thing about being a fanboy of the top 2 or 3 most powerful people in Marvel....it changes at least once every 10 years.


Indeed it does. However Endsong was apparrently the last Phoenix appearance in 616 therefore a retcons gotta happen eventually its inevitable. However thats no biggie cos when that does happen you'll still be able to debate with the all powerful White Crown Phoenix in mind just like Supes fans can debate with Pre-Crisis or Prime. wink

As for the God link, the Crown is stated on panel to be the after life where everyone is absorbed into upon their death (New X-men 153 Phoenix and Bumbleboy), its also stated to be the core of all creation(Uncanny X-men 461).

On panel it is also stated to be the heart of the Phoenix (UncannyX-men 461) and Phoenix is said to represent the Crown in creation. (The White Phoenix of Crown). Phoenix in F4 522 was said to manifest as the Big Bang, the energies of creation.

The Phoenix is said to be the power of creation, a consciousness that manifests into the physical plane through the minds of sentient beings. For example in the space shuttle incident where the golden woman appearred before Jean it said:

-My consciousness, my form and its ability to communicate on this plane of existence derive directly from you. They provide an...awareness of your dominant emotions and memories.

-Oh great. You mean you're a figment of my imagination?"

-You jest, yet what is imagination, save the ability to conceive of that which is beyond reality.You are human.I am of creation.

and in New X-men 154 it follows the same idea but says the "Phoenix Consciousness" manifests through the Crown Chakra of a host:

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In the real world the Crown is the beginning point and end of all life and creation. The Divine name of Keter/The Crown is Eheieh (which is rendered as Pure Being,or Presence.). It is the highest divine essence that can possibly be conceived. Beyond it is the Unknowable God. Everything exists in Keter in its archetypical form.The colour used to represent it is brilliant white,both to symbolize burning radiance and the union of all colors of the spectrum. (White Phoenix of Crown)


Those closest to God those who reside in the Crown are the Choir of Seraphim.

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[The Seraphim (from Seraph=consume with fire) are the angels closest to God,but also those sent to cleanse creation with the fire of purification,to burn away false doctrine]. They are traditionally represented as fire emblazoned humanoids with wings.

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In the physical world it is represented by the Primum Mobile or the First Whirlings of Manifestation,a phase that describes the action of the cosmic energy at the creation of the universe (The Big Bang).

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In the microcosm of the human body it corresponds to the crown chakra,above the top of the skull,said to be the portal to the highest spiritual experience,the union with God.

Nuff said basically. The connection with God is crystal clear and quite blatant. By presenting the Crown and its role as more or less the same as in the real world, by having Phoenix as its representative in creation and Phoenix being referred to as the Big Bang the energies of creation that more or less confirms it.


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ur debate isnt evoliving anymore gs, try n keep up with the times old boy, pheonix was RETCONNED. end of story, ur points are as empty and ridiculous as pheonix's retcons are.{other than being older and more fallacious than most unpassed conservative bills}

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ur debate isnt evoliving anymore gs, try n keep up with the times old boy, pheonix was RETCONNED. end of story, ur points are as empty and ridiculous as pheonix's retcons are.{other than being older and more fallacious than most unpassed conservative bills}



I think you need to have a read of my last post on the versus forum. No retcon has taken place my friend as far as has been revealed so far. Once again you've jumped on the bandwagon and spouted your sewage far too quickly. When are you gonna learn my young friend? roll eyes (sarcastic)

Either way if you'd read this post properly you'd see that even if a retcon does take place (as it should do given that Endsong was the last 616 Phoenix story for a looooong time) it doesnt mean Phoenix cant be used in debates. The White Crown Phoenix while she was around had a link with God and i can quite happily still use her in debates. Pre retcon Beyonder isnt around anymore and neither are the Brothers or Pre C Supes but they still feature in hierarchies and debates. Theres no getting away from the Phoenix!!!!! eek! big grin


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I think you need to have a read of my last post on the versus forum. No retcon has taken place my friend as far as has been revealed so far. Once again you've jumped on the bandwagon and spouted your sewage far too quickly. When are you gonna learn my young friend? roll eyes (sarcastic)

Either way if you'd read this post properly you'd see that even if a retcon does take place (as it should do given that Endsong was the last 616 Phoenix story for a looooong time) it doesnt mean Phoenix cant be used in debates. The White Crown Phoenix while she was around had a link with God and i can quite happily still use her in debates. Pre retcon Beyonder isnt around anymore and neither are the Brothers or Pre C Supes but they still feature in hierarchies and debates. Theres no getting away from the Phoenix!!!!! eek! big grin


despite the retconn where the Rabbit has the power, its only "repsected" members like "Adam Warlock" - check oout spammers list

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how many threads started eek!

Who believe this tosh mate smile


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I think you need to have a read of my last post on the versus forum. No retcon has taken place my friend as far as has been revealed so far. Once again you've jumped on the bandwagon and spouted your sewage far too quickly. When are you gonna learn my young friend? roll eyes (sarcastic)

Either way if you'd read this post properly you'd see that even if a retcon does take place (as it should do given that Endsong was the last 616 Phoenix story for a looooong time) it doesnt mean Phoenix cant be used in debates. The White Crown Phoenix while she was around had a link with God and i can quite happily still use her in debates. Pre retcon Beyonder isnt around anymore and neither are the Brothers or Pre C Supes but they still feature in hierarchies and debates. Theres no getting away from the Phoenix!!!!! eek! big grin
You are right in that it is to early to see where this is heading but with what Marvel has done in the past Pheonixs days as The Rpimal Force of Creation may be numbered if Marvel is even willing to place something out there that discourages their previous comics.


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By your own admission you havent read the comic so its very naive to form an opinion based on hearsay. As a lecturer you should know better my friend. sad


As it stands nowhere does it say that the Big Bang isnt a manifestation of the Phoenix.

Nowhere does it say Eternity wasnt created by Phoenix.

All you have is a timetable for Phoenix.

Also if you actually read the issue you'd find out that the Cosmic bunny has just about as much to do with creation as Beak. The comic stated that all beings are a part of the universe and that all humanity are as well just as much as the stars. Thats what it was referring to. There is no ReedForce and the cosmic bunny did nothing. KG took it too literally and you jumped on the bandwagon too quickly because it was anti-phoenix.


Pick up an issue and get back to me. Id love to hear your thoughts. smile


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