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Good idea. I prefer his retcon'ed origin and the power levels that go with it. Though the cosmic cube has unlimited potential I'm glad that he was only half of one. I disliked the driving force behind the Secret Wars and prefer the delusional Beyonder version of the tale. It makes more sense that an all-powerful being didn't just do what any self-respecting god would've done and sent an (or several) avatar to live a normal life among humanity and then slip quietly away.
Yeah, he was definitely a delusional chunk of cosmic cube.
threads that are about beyonder, dont get any posts. its sad, but true.
so you make one about LT and tie beyonder into it, and you get a 100 page thread.
i dont know why LT is lame the beyonders power in secret wars two was suppose to be equal to the multiverse combined times serveral times maybe hundred million times.
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I was thinking about it today with all of the 'versus' threads going on and I think that the so-called 'pre-retcon' beyonder proved that his 'post-retcon' origins are actually correct.
IIRC he claimed to be omniscient and omnipotent.
I think that he proved he wasn't omniscient when he stated that he didn't know what it was like to experience life as humans do. That proved that he wasn't omniscient. I think what he and any multi/universal entity mean when they or the narrator (IIRC, Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet was described by both himself and the narrator as the supreme power) describes them as omniscient is 'functional omniscience'. 'Functional omniscience' would be best described as existing along the breadth, or vast-majority, of (Multi-)Infinity/(Multi-)Eternity, or virtual omnipresence. They technically would know everything (what you did last summer or 2 weeks from now to your wife's rapidly cooling corpse, you naughty boy), they could even know what you're thinking, but they wouldn't necessarily have the experience. It would be similar to reading a novel, all of them simultaneously, but still it would be incomplete. Anytime the Beyonder said that he was unsure, or lacked some knowledge or experience, he was
I think that the Beyonder likewise wasn't omnipotent. If he could give a measure of his power, as he did when when he wiped Multi-Death out (This is a great portion of my power and I may not be able to undo it), then he obviously isn't omnipotent, otherwise . That he did resurrect Multi-Death doesn't really mean much. I can ask Thor to tickle a Celestial by punching a hole through its armor, no easy feat for Thor, and keep Zeus occupied for a couple of months. He can do one or the other but not both simultaneously, and he knows it or at least may question his ability to. Beyonder may've had the power of trillion billion multi-verses but that is still a measurement. The Beyonder claimed to have given Phoenix enough power to destroy him, and thus placed a measurement on his ability to sustain himself, or he was lying. The One Above All for instance, is more than a name, it is what it is. No measurement suffices.
Dang it, I keep on checking the 'Versus' forum and darthgoober has also listed a lot of relative points.
The Tribunal is beyond the multiverse, what better way to judge it? His authority comes from 'above' the fragile layers of the multi-verse. So being beyond the multi-verse doesn't mean anything special really.
Even retconned, the race of Beyonders don't carry the weight of power that pre-retcon Beyonder was supposed to have. The LT mentioned that they "permitted" the Beyonders experiment with the cosmic cubes.
Other thoughts:
Why did the assembled multi-versal cosmic entities attack Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet or the Heart Of The Universe (or is it 'Infinite'), even though they didn't stand a chance, but not even attempt to stop the Beyonder? As Cosmos related to Molecule Man, the cosmic entities are their power whereas MM and Thanos with his doohickeys are human(-oid) and he spoke of their potential. The funny thing about potential is that it may not be necessarily lived up to. For all the times that Thanos gained ultimate power he's lost it and that gives the cosmic entities hope that he can be defeated.
Didn't Beyonder himself say he was more powerful than anyone? This was while LT was in the "room". This was like near the time when he killed Death and brought her back moments later.
In any event, pretty sure Batman has a batarang ready to take down people on his power level.