Before anyone does anything in this thread, you haev to watch this instruction video . Make sure you have the volume up, and be sure to learn from its wisdom.
Reiteration of the rules:
1. Prep = 15 minutes, in a neutral environment apart from the battlefield.
2. The only thing combatants can have "operational" coming into the fight is generic shielding. Thus, an offensive or other maneuver must begin after the fight has started. No creating 10,000 illusions/constructs/etc. during prep or anything like that.
3. If you don't know the rules, read them! The first person to make 7 battle-related posts on Day 1, then complain to me will be flogged....or at least get a PM from me with a " " smilie and a link to the rules. They've been established for weeks. And that thread has been pinned for the past week. There's no excuse for not knowing them.
4. Observers are asked to NOT post in this thread unless it is a question directly related to the battle.
5. Keep anything extraneous in the discussion thread. Please help me keep this battle as efficient as possible.
6. Judges: wait a while to vote. And post your vote, possibly with a (brief) explanation. Don't vote in the poll Observers: Feel free to vote in the poll, but I'd encourage you to wait as well.
7. Help me out with all of this. If something needs edited out, let me know...I can't catch everything.
Leo/Kahn's opening plan. This does not count toward their 9 posts.
This is the stuff Kahn sent me. With the edits and whatnot, leo's portion was wicked confusing, and I don't have time today to make heads-or-tails of it. My apologies, but you'll have to include that in your posts.
DC/Batdude did not send an opening plan, but everyone still has the 9 posts to work with at this point.
Leo's and Kahn's general plan of asskickery
During prep time our team will utilize Maxima's and the Surfer's telepathic abilities to 1)share information about their opponents (ie Hal and Maxima gets the Surfer's knowledge and experience dealing with Morg, ect) and to 2)share certain skills among each other (ie the Surfer would get Hal's and Maxima's h2h training and experience, ect). And of course they will plan out their strategy for the fight.
Initial fight plan:
In the first millisecond of the fight the Surfer will blind the other team with his nova attack (obviously Hal would act quickly to protect himself and Maxima). http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...1988_016_12.jpg http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...1988_016_13.jpg
Now this attack will have two effects. One it will serve to distract the other team preventing them from even seeing our team and two given that the light he produces is brighter than a star going nova then Magneto will become permanently blind due to the intensity of the light.
Next the Surfer will proceed to put poor Magneto out of his misery. Now we could simply argue that the Surfer could just absorb Magneto's shield (assuming it is up) as he has absorbed massive amounts of energy from stars which would include far more electromagnetic energy that Magneto could ever produce. But to save the judges the headache of having to sort out the entire "he could absorb it" and "no he can't" routine, we will use an alternate method. The Surfer will instead shrink down to the level of the Microverse and proceed to pass though the spaces between the electrons of Magneto's shield. http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...vourer2-19a.jpg
Once inside his shiled the Surfer can easily dispatch Magneto in a myriad of ways. Now is should be stressed just how fast this will happen. The Surfer will create the nova flash at almost the instant the fight starts and thanks to his well documented speed he will be within Magneto's shield before Mags even realizes what has happened. Not that he could even do much damage in his present sight-impared condition. But just in case some are not familiar with the Surfer's speed here are a few scans.
Travel half million lightyears in few moments: http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...er_Vol3-006.jpg http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...er_Vol3-007.jpg
Twist the very fabric of space with his speed: http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...nslavers_06.jpg
Speaking of Captain Atom the Surfer will be the main one facing him. Now we all know that Captain Atom is a decent energy absorber even if he is a bit of a physical lightweight. However, he has a sadly fatal flaw. He can only absorb so much energy before he overloads and jumps either to the future or past (both of which would be counted as a loss according to Digi but the other judges can decide for themselves).
Here he admits that there is a limit to what he can absorb: http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?...atom23227xz.jpg
Just to summarize, a blinded Magneto will be killed in the first seconds of the fights leaving Morg and Captain Atom to fight an invisible team who, among other things, have an extremely powerful telepath. The Surfer will quickly overload Captain Atom and Hal will deal with Morg. Meaning that even if Morg manages to survive Hal's attacks very quickly he'll be facing all three members of our team thus sealing his fate.
I hope that this won't be counted towards my posts, but if it will, okay then. Here is our preptime with working links.
As soon as the preptime starts, our team starts to make themselves more powerful. Magneto, as most of you know, controls and can be empowered by energy types of electromagnetic spectrum. He is master of magnetism, which means that electromagnetic spectrum is in his control, like his bio states. To prove Magneto's control over electrical fields and magnetic fields, which together compass electromagnetic radiation/spectrum, here are few scans. Electrical fields are effects produced by electric charges, or time-varying magnetic fields. Magneto, thus is able to control electrical fields as well as magnetic fields, as these scans show:
Batdude posts Captain Atom’s parts in the prep time:
Now, we have supercharged Magneto. He will then create a shield around himself. Now, here are just few examples of how powerful Magneto’s shields are…in 99% of the times he has been caught unaware and has had to create them in milliseconds.
Explosion that threatened Avengers (including Thor and She-Hulk) is stopped by “thin” and “hastily erected shield” of Magneto’s. He had battled Avengers for pages before that and was very weak from all assaults, which explains his struggling and weakness. http://img379.imageshack.us/my.php?...xplosion9th.jpg
More examples can be posted if needed. For the rest of prep time (roughly seven minutes) Magneto only concentrates on putting his shields to be way more powerful (compared to seconds, he now has 400 times more time to concentrate on them, making them in order to be many, many times more powerful then in the scans above) and putting his psychic defenses up. If you want an example of how powerful his defenses are, Xavier needed to combine Jean Grey’s power with his own to even attempt to try to break them (and he only succeeded at last when Magneto did not pay any attention to them). http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/...chicdefense.jpg
Magneto is now shielded from any imaginable physical assault, and he is also shielded from any imaginable psychic assault. As a last touch to his defenses, Magneto reverses gravity 500 feet around himself, so anyone who tries physical attack is reversed and thrown away. http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/...owerandreve.jpg
Joint post between me and Batdude to describe Morg/Captain Atom preptime:
As for Morg, he does not do more then prepare for the upcoming battle.
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apologies for the prep confusion. i guess this counts as one of my posts? ah well, in any event, Kahn has already gone over ss’s mode of attack and what hal will be doing. Max will be focusing on atom until ss finishes up with magneto. now, for those unfamiliar with max: she is a friggin' BEAST as many of the scans will testify.
if you've read our first post, you'll know already that we are invisible after a distraction (a nova intense flash of light) laid down by ss. thanks to that attack, there is a good chance magneto is permanently blind, but there is also a very strong chance that atom is blinded as well:
if spectro with a little light-box can blind him, imagine what a greater than nova-level light will do . . .. in any event, when/if he regains his sight (and while ss deals with magneto), he will immediately see the illusions ss has cast and is VERY likely to be taken in by them and make them his primary targets. seeing through illusions/holograms is NOT his specialty . . .
now ss's illusions have even fooled galactus (as shown in kahn's scan), so to say atom is likely to go after them is something of an understatement.
in any event, atom WILL certainly be momentarily confused at the very least by the light and illusions. At the moment the flash takes place, ss shrinks and rushes mags, max, invisible, teleports behind atom:
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and will strike with a full power psi-blast. the psi-blast alone has taken out characters above atom, including orion, captain marvel, brainiac and supergirl.
bear in mind he will also not be ready for an attack from behind. of course, her goal IS to get him to quantum jump. when he absorbs too much energy too quickly, he will leap forward or backwards in time as shown by kahn above. i add one more set of scans to further cement the notion AND because here he faces off against a PSIONIC/TELEKINETIC creature named SYNAPSE. he is again forced to quantum leap forward, losing again several hours this time.
digi himself has said that a forced quantum leap would be equal to a win in this situation as it is exploiting a character's weakness. on top of what i have shown, in prep, their team actually fed him MORE energy. atom will be ready to time-jump any second.
now, consider exactly what is happening:
1. atom CAN be blinded (shown above) and is being hit with a nova+ level flash.
2. he CAN be fooled by illusions (shown above) and is being shown illusions capable of folling galactus.
3. he is susceptible to psionic attack, has fallen before a psionic opponent (shown above) AND is facing a top-tier psi who has ALREADY and INADVERTENTLY nearly forced to quantum leap -- and WOULD have done so had she not VOLUNTARILY stopped her attack on him (again shown above).
4. we also know that atom CAN be beaten down physically by an opponent with sufficient strength. mary marvel did it (shown in the first post) and after he was blinded by spectra (shown above) major force ALSO literally beat him nearly to death with only his bare hands (those scans are ALSO available upon request . . .)
5. we also know that on top of being a top-tier psi, maxima possesses strength that rivals superman's (shown above), with durability to match.
6. factor in that she is invisible, coming at him from behind and his confusion and the results are pretty clear:
R.I. P Captain Atom
and don't forget -- once ss has polished off magneto, atom is his next stop. together ss and max would make very short work indeed of atom, most especially in lieu of the tactical error made by dc and bats in actually pumping atom full of energy. atom CANNOT absorb ad infinitum, as the scans above show. and as further proof, we have atom's own words:
you've seen how quickly max nearly overloaded him earlier, seen that he DOES quantum leap with some regularity and by absorbing energies well below the level that max and ss can dish out. atom winks out quickly, leaving (after ss has finished magneto) morg to face us 3 on 1 . . .
The light from Surfers attack would work if not for the following things.
Visible radiation, or in other words, light, is part of electromagnetic spectrum, which, in turn is in control of Magneto. Magneto’s shield can be set to redirect energy, especially electromagnetic energies away from him, and light is energy. However, you ask, won’t this limit Magneto’s seeing anyway? That would be, if he could not perceive world solely as patterns of magnetic and electrical energy, and sense disruptions alongside magnetic lines of force (which encompass the entire planet). http://img392.imageshack.us/my.php?...tfromroomwi.jpg
Magneto will work fine without eyesight. He (Or Atom) can also take control of the light and use it AGAINST your team. Remember, Magneto controls light, because it is part of the EM spectrum. And like Batdude stated in our prep post, Atom controls Quantum Field, which enables him to control ALL energy types.
So, as none of our team members are hurt by your initial attack. This enables us to proceed to our own plan.
Now, batdude will deal Atom’s posts, but he will send him against Hal. I have enough leeway to say that, I believe.
Now, you may try holograms. However, like previously said, Magneto can perceive the world with different things. He could clearly tell that that the holograms are not real, and holograms are just hardened light, so they would be quickly dissipated by his magnetic powers. And, using his ability to perceive things in different way/his ability to sense disruptions in magnetic fields, he could easily spot out your team. Morg will do the same with the cosmic awareness his powers give to him.
With your team’s invisibility shattered in short time, this is what the characters I have power over do.
First of all, Magneto attacks after Maxima. Captain Atom has shared information about her (they were on the same team once). Though Mars’s outer planetary magnetic field is not as powerful as Earth’s, its interplanetary field is much stronger with the crust of the planet being more magnetized then Earth. Magneto can draw more power on it, and if he wants, he can increase the outer planetary field too, though that is not necessary. Also, note that Magneto has dozens of times more energy to use because Atom supercharged him before the battle.
Now, nothing Maxima will do will really affect Magneto through his shields.
Note, that the scans, Magneto had no time of putting his physic shields up. Because he has had hundreds of times more time in here (seeing as in that case, he had a second), his physic shields will be hundreds of times stronger too. The same will apply to his physical shields too.
I would once again stress the fact that Magnetos shields will be at least a hundred times more powerful in this fight with him having had way more power to put behind them, and more time to concentrate.
So, as it is now shown that Maxima won’t be able to hurt him with energy, psychic powers or physical assault, let’s show how Magneto deals with her.
First of all, this battle being on face of a planet is not a good thing for Maxima. The entire battlefield is literally on Magneto’s control. Even more then the ground of Earth is. Because, do you know what is the most widespread mineral found on Mars? Hematit. Or in its official name, IRON. One of the most magnetized metal of all kind. Magneto has many ways of taking her down with usage of the ground only.
Shortly put, Magneto has many ways of hurting Maxima, while Maxima does not have any.
Also, I would like to state here that his shields are not energy fields. They are magnetic fields. A particle is affected by magnetism no matter how small it is. Magneto chooses what goes through them and what does, and Surfer would not get there anyway, seeing as Magneto is moving with superhuman speeds, and Surfer would move reeeeaaaaalllllllyyyyy slow in such size, and Magneto’s speed in his bigger size would be impossible for Surfer to counteract in his smaller size. Surfer also could not absorb them, because they are not energy, but a magnetic force. He will be busy with Morg anyway.
Morg will be holding off Surfer. He defeated him once, and pretty much stalemated for majority of their last fight, so he won’t be defeated very easily, if not defeated at all, because in this fight, he will be using his axe to absorb Surfer’s blasts and cut him. And he won’t be tricked by the board trick either. He can hold him long enough for Magneto or Atom to come to finish him.
I see you brought up the “Mary Marvel vs. Captain Atom fight.” There are three problems with you bringing this up.:
A)“Formerly Known as the Justice League” isn’t cannon.
B)Captain Atom was hardly trying, and MM was flipping her lid and was trying her hardest to take out Atom.
C)Current Captain Atom is above that lame ass showing against her.
So, nice try with that one. I know it seemed like a good point to put in scans of Captain Atom getting beat like that, however the evidence is extremely refutable.
Hal Jordan is obviously going to present a challenge to Captain Atom. There is no question about that. However, Captain Atom is able to produce any and all kinds of energy via the Quantum Field. He is also able to absorb a bunch of energy as well. With these powers, Captain Atom could essentially absorb a plethora of Hal’s Oan energy in the ring, thus making the ring less effective, and everything that Hal does with it. Hal will have to strain himself that much harder in order to get the same effect, and Hal would be very fatigued. With a weakened Hal, Captain Atom could use his nuclear blasts on him and they also carry the added bonus of being radioactive. So Hal is not only being attacked with the blast, he is being attack on an atomic level and he doesn’t know it. The amount of the radiation would weaken Hal even further than he already is, and the blast would basically put the icing on the cake. If all else fails, Captain Atom could certainly keep Hal busy until Magneto takes out Maxima. From there, Magneto and Captain Atom would double team Hal for the easy victory.
Also, leo you keep mentioning “overloading” Captain Atom. You keep saying that if you overload him with energy, he will Quantum leap through time for the BFR victory over him. That’s a simple, but not effective tactic to use. Captain Atom with his extra energy that he absorbs can use it to amp up all his physical stats to “Superman” level. Meaning, you basically just made Captain Atom stronger, more durable, and faster. However, if Captain Atom notices that he’s taking in more energy than he can handle, he can quickly “dump” the excess energy around him out of his body that he isn’t using. So he can control what goes in, and what goes out of his body. So all you’re attempts to “overload him with energy” will be wasted, literally. If by some chance Captain Atom DOES overload, recently he has been shown to be able to come back to the present timeframe under his own powers, thus deeming this tactic as being utterly moot. He will come back after any attempt to send him forward in time.
To begin with the first two scans here are pointless as Magneto's ability to control electricity is useless in this fight. None of his electical attacks have a hope of affecting anyone on our team given their durability and their alien physiology.
The second two are equally irrevalent as he was agumented by tech that he doesn't have access to in this fight. If anything they prove just how much he is relient on tech to preform any high end feats. And the scan of Magneto creating a planet wide electomagnetic pulse is useless as it has no offensive possibilities in this fight.
And lastly, the final two scans do not show he can absorb anything on his own. In one he uses another mutant's power (Polaris?) while Bishop absorbs the power from the Monolith. And in the last one he had to filter the lightning through Storm before he could use it.
I can't say I understand the point of any of the above scans as they serve to prove just how weak Magneto is without some tech or other mutants to augment his powers, neither of which does he have in this fight.
Magneto's shields can be impressive but by your own scans we can see that actually keeping them in place during a high powered attack (which is nowhere near the level of attacks that he will face against our team) he must struggle and concentrate in order to keep them in place. With him thus preoccupied he is useless in any offensive manner. If you have the shield around you whole team then none of them can get out of it to attack us and if it is only around him then he isn't going to be able to launch any sort of offensive attack. So basically you've rendered Magneto usless in the fight on your own.
As for your plan to alter gravity, I must confess I don't see the point this at all (not that you've even come close to proving Magneto could do this while so focused on creating a high powered shield and in the scan his shield was not up when he altered gravity). Does anyone think that a gravational force that was only strong enough to lift a few kids off the ground is anywhere strong enough to affect the Surfer, Hal, or Maxima all of whom have proven themselves capable of defying much stronger gravational forces?
Again their prep as far as Magneto is concerned is pointless as he'll be dead within a few moments after the battle has started. The nova flash the Surfer will generate travels at the speed of light which is much, much too fast for Magneto to ever hope to be able to stop. This means that not only will he be blind but also in near unimaginable pain. As such I'll leave it to the judges to determine if Magneto is likely to keep focused on his shield in such a situation. And before he even realizes what has happened, the invisible Surfer has shrunk down the the microverse and bypassed his sheilds no matter what condition they are in while DC's and Batdude's team are attacking nothing but holograms. Once the Surfer is inside Magneto's lifespan will be measured in fractions of a second.
Now for Captain Atom. I must confess that I find Batdude's statement that "Captain Atom is near impossible to overload" to be grossly misleading. Included in both my and Leo's posts are several examples of Captain Atom being easily overloaded on multiple occasions. Now he may be able to take a nuke or two, but that is nowhere near the level of attacks he will be facing in this fight. Again as posted above the Surfer can throw enough energy at him to rip a black hole in space and then there is also Leo's attacks using Maxima. Needless to say Captain Atom has never proven himself to be able to handles anywhere close to this level of energy absorption.
What is worse is that their team has spent their prep actually loading Captain Atom with even more energy and thus making our job even easier. I can only chalk this up to a tacticle mistake on DC's and Batdude's part as Captain Atom doesn't have a problem with running out of energy during a fight only with absorbing too much. This act only made him more vulnerable not more powerful.
Again just to summerize, our team entire will be invisible and will catch their team off guard. Magneto goes down in a matter of seconds as he doesn't have reaction times anywhere near what it would take to avoid the nova flash and the Surfer will quickly bypass his shield and kill him. Captain Atom is soon after overloaded with energy by two of our characters who are both physically superior to him and both of whom can overload Cap on their own. Both of them will then join Hal against Morg taking him down with ease.
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Last edited by TheKahn on Jul 9th, 2006 at 11:20 PM
Again Magneto's human reaction times are much too slow to be able to prevent him from becoming blind. What you seem to be forgetting is the searing pain he will also be suffering from having his eyes burned out of his skull (we are talking about more light than a star gives off going nova). So in all likelyhood their goes his shields as well. Regardless the Surfer will bypass his shields even if they still up in a mere fraction of a second thanks to his speed and quickly take Magneto out. Thus Magneto's abilty to "see" magnetic lines is useless as he will be dead before he is even able to get off a single shot.
Except that your scan doesn't prove he is capable of doing that. He merely dodges an attack from the Surfer and then shoots an energy blast of his own at him. Again, that is irrevalent. This attack is not your standard "energy bolt" attack but instead it is a wide spread flood of light making it nearly impossible to absorb or deflect. In other words you nobody on your team can stop the attack and the result is that two of you characters are significantly handicapped and at least one is in severe pain.
It is getting to be odd that your descriptions of your scans don't seem to be very accurate.
I don't see how as you haven't proven that any of your characters can stop it.
That's the thing. Thanks to our blinding nova flash, our team invisibility, and our Galactus-fooling holograms we get do decided who faces who. Not you. Your team is mostly blind and are targeting the wrong "team." Which leaves them all wide open to being blindsided by our team (execpt for Magneto who is already dead as described).
First the holograms were good enough to fool GALACTUS. Are you really arguing that Matneto could detect that they were not the real things when he couldn't??? And where exactly did you provide proof that Morg has "Cosmic Awarness"? It certainly doesn't say he does in your bio of him...
Second it doesn't matter what he can "feel" as he is going to be the first one to die as already explained.
Again, the holograms could fool Galactus so no one on your team is going to know they are not the real thing. Assuming they recover from the nova flash, they will end up targeting the very real appearing holograms while our team takes them apart as previously described.
None of this matters as we have killed Magneto in our first attack long before he can launch any attack. And anyone who looks at the scans of Maxima's telepathic abilities posted by Leo will see just what she is capable of. Also, again thanks to our nova flash, invisibiltiy, and holograms we get to decide the match ups not you.
First it has never been shown that Magneto has direct control of every atom that enters and exits his force field, only that it has small openings for oxygen to enter into which can be closed temporarily when he goes into space. If that was the case you would have posted a scan where exactly that is stated. You didn't because Magneto does not posses that power.
That being the case the Surfer could easily enter into one of the atom sized openings that are present in the shield as he is much small than atoms at this point or he could simply absorb the magnetic energy. Keep in mind that he has absorbed enormous amounts of electromagnetic energy from stars before (which dwarf anything Magneto has been shown capable of generating). http://www.geocities.com/bruno_noju...ulation-14.html http://photobucket.com/albums/b305/...omecoming48.jpg
Using any type of energy to try and stop the Surfer is like trying to stop Superman with a shield of yellow sunlight or stopping the Blob with shield made of cheeseburgers; in other words it a bad idea.
Also why you think there will be any difference from the Surfer traveling at the speed of light when he is small than when he is regular size is a mystery to me. The speed of light is constant no matter what the size of the object traveling at that velocity.
As for Batdude's "defense" of Captain Atom, I think the judges have all the information they need to see just how vulnerable he is to being overloaded by nature and thanks to your teams actions. Also I think we've shown that our team is very capable of overloading him in a very short time (ie he can take nukes, can create enough energy to rip a hole in space itself). So he can either absorb the attacks coming at him or allow them to knock him out given his poor physical durability. As for the Mary Marvel vs Captain Atom fight, I believe that none other than Validus has stated that DC treats that series and that fight as canon and he is a DC expert if I've ever seen one.
Combine that with the fact that he will be blind and outnumbered two to one both of which are invisible and his fate is sealed.
Carl - "No, the real point is: I don't give a damn."
Carl - "This line, here? Line of Death. You cross it, and your freedoms no longer exist. Um-kay? Have a good day."
Last edited by TheKahn on Jul 10th, 2006 at 12:05 AM
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dc, i luv ya but this is sort of preposterous. you're saying that AFTER the flash occurs THEN mag's can adjust to it using shields or absorbtion or something? you do know that would imply FASTER than light reflexes, right . . .? and the exact same thing applies to atom. again, by the time he's SEEN the flash, it's over and he and mag's are blind. he will absolutely NOT be able to "take control of the light and use it AGAINST 'my' team." not unless you have a scan showing atom out of the q-zone having ftl reflexes. which would technically be against the rules, anyways . . . no, to have been able to avoid it or counter it effectively, you would have needed to have prepared for it BEFORE it happened. unfortunately, nowhere in your prep did it say you were shielding the eyes of your team . . .
so, to reiterate: mags and atom = blind and in a crap-load of pain. now, while it's true they may be able to use their powers in extrasensory ways, do you really think that upon being robbed of sight they would instantly be able to adjust to using their powers in this overwhelming way? and let's say for a moment that they DO adapt quickly. there would STILL be some time in there where they were utterly disoriented. not to mention, in a lot of pain . . .
and before anyone says they could do something FIRST: i trust no one will question that ss is the fastest person in this match -- in the tournament for that matter . . . ss DOES react and attack first. he sets off the flash a nanosecond after we appear then my team follows along with what was outlined -- namely an invisible (maybe redundant at this point?) max teleports behind atom and lambastes him with a psi bolt that has taken out plenty of top-tier opponents in one shot, while ss deals with mags (more on that below . . .)
morg is not as fast as ss. prove it please if you believe that to be the case. be cool to see some form of evidence regarding his cosmic awareness as well. and no, it absolutely can NOT be assumed that 'all heralds' have that ability, or that they have it in equal degrees. their powersets are vastly different, so without proof of morg's cosmic senses, i don't see how it can be claimed.
now this section was a bit unfortunate because you provided LOADS of scans and info for . . . nothing. you appear to be under a faulty assumption: as the fastest person in this tournament, ss decides who he fights. so, what happens is this: ss flashes the nova-level light and, careful not to outrace the light to magneto, proceeds to shrink himself and pass straight through his ultra-hard shields as though they were not even there. "what's this nonsense, leo!?" dc cries. "he can't do that, why, just take a look at this! i explained it all right here:"
you know i respect you like few others dc, but . . .
not energy shields, but . . . magnetic fields? his size determines his speed? not even in the world of comicbook science my friend. but the problem is your premise:
<<A particle is affected by magnetism no matter how small it is.>>
let me 'splain, lucy! the electromagnetic force is a wonderful thing, one of the fundamental forces in the universe. at its smallest level, it serves to bind electrons to positively charged nuclei. and thank goodness! however, it doesn't do its job by 'magic'. there is rather a third party member who needs to be introduced. ladies and gentlemen, i give you the photon! now, the photon's job is an easy one. it is a messenger. it carries messages from the electron to the nuclei and TELLS them to repel or attract. it provides the force its 'information'. simply put: without the photon, no messages, no electromagnetic force. now, when the ss shrinks, he actually becomes SMALLER than a photon. do you see where this is heading . . .? he is so small, no information can be related regarding him to the charged particles that look like planets all around him. to mag's em shielding, ss is in all ways, 'not there'. he waltzes through at near-light speed even mag's multiple layers of shielding and his uber-strong, overpowered shielding and then wipes him out in any of an infinity of ways.
we could also say that he simply renders himself electrically neutral (the em force ONLY acts upon charged particles) and say he waltzes through the shields, but i thought the first way was so much more creative.
so, after only an instant to realize he'd never see again, his pain comes to an end and mag's dies within the first couple seconds of the fight.
now batdude, my former jlakmc compadre:
i'm pretty sure it IS canon, as kahn said, and resorting to the PIS card already . . .?
actually, this one had me scratching my head -- for a moment. then i realized -- hey, the atom in that scan isn't the 'exact' same atom as the one they are using! and in fact, that atom actually had a sliver of the void in him which is WHY he could time travel the way he did. so . . . interesting scan, but judges be sure to discount the feat as one THEIR version of captain atom has never been show to perform. doubt it: show me the classic, silver captain atom (you know, the non-wildstorm version, the one you're USING . . .) repeating that particular trick . . .
atom is blind from the nova attack, in pain but, like mag's is only in pain for a moment as an orion/marvel/supergirl ko'ing psi-blast from behind ends your torment. or adds infinitely TO it and it ends with a superman level punch or a few of them. OR you quantum leap giving us the win. OR ss arrives after the seconds he spent dealing with mags and max AND ss BOTH polish atom off . . .
morg -- SOON to be dead of a serious case of 3on1-itis -- IF hal hasn't gone and finished him on his own . . .
They were just to show that electrical fields are not beyond his control.
The first of the second two states that he was able to tap on the Magnetosphere before being on that machine (Which is the entire point of the scan). With the machine, he could be part of it. The electromagnetic scan's point was to show that
Well, yeah, the absorbing scan was a bit iffy, but in the second scan Magneto clearly states that he filters the lightning through Storm to hurt her, not because he could not absorb them without. If you see, he absorbs them after she has taken out Storm that way.
I hope you understand them now.
Actually, that is not true. Magneto is perfectly able to lauch offensive attacks even when he has the shield on. And in the only scan where he needs to struggle was the one with Avengers, which is perfectly understandable because he had just been fighting the entire team for hours. http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/44...thoneblast2.jpg
Blasts are not even his main method of attack.
I doubt that he was showing the entire extent of his gravity defying powers there. It was just another failsafe to his powers, not the basis of the entire strategy. And when he creates a Magnetic field, it is on as long as he wants.
He won't be. Read my post below.
Same as above. Let's deal with this one in fighting post.
His fields have proven to be able to deflect multiple energy types with ease. It's even easier to put his field to deflect light, because it is part of the EM Spectrum. Because what is light consisted of? Photons. How utterly easy is it for Magneto's shield to be set to deflect photons? This easy. http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/62...sphotons0ki.jpg
Like I said, during preptime, he made his shields as durable and strong as possible. This includes deflecting all kinds of energies. Blinding Magneto is not going to work if he has his shields up.
I am afraid that this renders rest of your post ineffetive. My team won't be blinded by yours. Magneto would control your attack as he wished. I know I am not Atom's debater, so I won't say anything, but Batdude could easily prove that he won't be blinded either (especially as Magneto controls light). Morg was rendering Silver Surfer's blast ineffective in the scan I posted (just look at the first panel), so he can clearly either deflect or absorb energy with ease.
I still will choose to take down few of your points.
So, becoming a photon would be utterly the stupidest thing that Silver Surfer could do. Now, lets say that he attempts that. The scans above show that Magneto can easily grab specific photons and control them. He sets shield to deflect photons, like shown above, but let's try something more creative alongside it. He could grab Surfer, who has now become a photon, and hold him in place with utter ease among the other photons he is not letting in. Because, what is the smallest part of electromagnetic spectrum to a man who completely controls it?
And phasing won’t work. Like I said, if photon is not getting through, someone who phases is not getting through either. And phasing through magnetic shield is not very wise…just ask Shadowcat.
In fact, Magneto could just repel the photons from your team’s direction, rendering THEM blind.
And about the holograms, just because they were enough to fool Galactus, it doesn’t mean that they fool my team. They are still not living things, but energy. And to team where ALL members have specific relations with energy (Especially Magneto and Atom) they are nothing. Obviously Galactus was not using all his powers.
Our team’s plan still stands. None of them will be blinded, and holograms won’t fool them.
Magneto will take out Maxima, Atom will take care of Hal, and Morg will hold Surfer until he is taken out.
As for Morg and Surfer’s speed, Galactus gave Morg power cosmic to rival Surfer (Why else he would have sent him after him?) and this has been stated many times. Surfer might be faster, but he clearly is not MUCH faster then he is.
DC: 3/9 (Unless Digi deems first post as prep post)
As for the Surfer solar flare attack, I've seen no evidence either way that it would effect or not effect Magneto. Captain Atom has been shown to be at least momentarily susceptible to extreme luminal exposure.
More evidence is required in the case of Magneto.
At this point, and given his powerset, I'm leaning towards the solar flare attack not permanently disabling him, if at all, but this stance is not permanent and can be changed or affirmed with proper and more conclusive evidence being provided.
Be careful of your post counts also. It's only Monday.
Kahn, I never said this, so please don’t put words in my mouth. Usually, when Captain Atom absorbs “too much” energy, it is to serve a point in the plot of the entire story. Take for example in the Superman/Batman Public Enemies series where he absorbed too much energy from Major Force. Captain Atom has absorbed bombs that were capable of destroying half of the earth, and Major Force’s blast didn’t even destroy the city block that they were on. Quite contradictory, isn’t it? Later in the story, he met Superman in the future to see what happened to the planet. So yes, it served its point in the plot. The fact of the matter is that you and leo aren’t showing examples of Captain Atom at his best. You are posting low showings of him, and I find this to be unfair. Silver Surfer has been severely injured by Storm’s lightning bolt before. Although, I don’t use that as an example, because I don’t revolve my opinion around a bad showing for another character. Besides, the point of my post wasn’t to say that Captain Atom is “impossible to overload.” My point with the post was to say that he can take his extra energy and use it to add to his strength, durability, and speed. Not only that, but he can dump the excess energy that he doesn’t need, or if by some chance he IS overloaded, he can come back from it using his Quantum leap trick that was shown in the scans.
Leo, I find this post amusing, but nevertheless, completely inaccurate. Captain Atom in his Wildstorm miniseries is the exact same from the DC universe. He keeps talking about how he’s in the wrong universe, and even makes a mention of Superman. Finally, at the end of the series, he went home to his “DC” universe and all was well and good.
No, his “void” powers weren’t activated at all until the very end (Captain Atom: Armageddon #9). Apollo was the one that triggered the “universe destroying Captain Atom” that you’re thinking of. Here is the scene, and I quote: “I tried to fight back, but I was tired…. DAMN tired….. So I hesitated for a second, and he hit me. Not fatally… But close enough. Enough to start the reaction inside of me. The reaction that Angie, God bless her, tried to stop.” So, it CAN be used as evidence, because there was absolutely NO mention prior to that incident of him using the void in his powers. Also, there is some more evidence to the “Quantum leap” under his own power in Captain Atom: Armageddon #7. Here it is, and I quote again: “I’m not really sure. One of the Quantum boys taught me this trick. With a little concentration, I can flash forward a week or so……. Now…. Please… Stand back Angie. And take Nikola with you. It’s been a long time since I’ve done this.” So you see, it isn’t just a special version of Captain Atom. It is the Captain Atom that we all know and love. And you can’t sway the judges to discredit that feat. I already pmed Digi about using his Wildstorm mini series as evidence, and he said it was completely fine by him. So, better luck next time.
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