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Could Sion have possibly replicated Sidious' Force Storm?

Before you post, make sure that you read this:

The Book Of Anger

"Emperor Palpatine's first volume deals with the use of emotion to control the Force. He considers anger to be the most potent emotional form. With anger, the Sith can call upon the dark side, harnessing it for great power and destruction. Palpatine teaches that anger and rage, mixed with intelligent control, call upon the dark side with a very fine level of control, and can even kill from a great distance.

An excerpt, on the creation of Force Storms:


I have learned that Anger and Will, joined together, are the greatest power.
I have learned to meditate upon Anger and Will with clarity and precision, and I have learned to open the hidden reservoirs of dark side power.

Anger concentrated by Will in the vital center of the body creates a portal through which vast energies are released -- the energies of the dark side of the Force.

Standing watch with the mind, in my meditation of Anger, I have slain my enemies from great distances, through the dark side power that permeates the galaxy. I have created lightning, and unleashed its destructive fire.

Using this knowledge, I can unleash the dark side energies that are all around us, even to shatter the fabric of space itself. In this way, I have created storms."














This is of course Sidious referring to his famous force storms. Notice how he mentions that the two requirements in making force storms is anger and a strong will.

Now think about Sion. It seems that he possesses these two requirements, only on a much greater scale then sidious. Through the power of hatred embodied by the dark side and sheer force of will, he was able to keep his body together, even though he was in constant pain and should have been dead. In other words, his willpower was strong enough to keep him alive even though he should have been dead. I don't know what you think but that suggests an incredibly strong willpower to me.

Secondly, his hatred ran very deep. He completely despised the jedi order and unlike most sith, he didn't care for power. His only goal was the destruction of the jedi which suggests to me that he had quite a lot of anger stored up inside of him, more than Palpatine imo.

So so far, it seems (to me at least) that Sion possessed the two things that one of Palpatine's famous force storms required, except only on a much greater scale; his willpower was so strong that he was able to physically hold his body together and stop himself from dying; his hatred ran so deep that he was constantly on edge and would stop at nothing but the complete destruction of the jedi order.

Anyway here's my question. Do you think that if Sion possessed the knowledge of how to produce these force storms, do you think he would have the ability to produce a force storm even more devastating then Palpatine's?

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Re: Could Sion have possibly replicated Sidious' Force Storm?

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"Anger and rage, mixed with intelligent control."

"Anger and Will with clarity and precision."

Do you think that if Sion possessed the knowledge of how to produce these force storms, do you think he would have the ability to produce a force storm even more devastating then Palpatine's?



No.


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So succintly put Jolly

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I doubt Sion could, but someone extremely powerful with the force could.

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But the book of anger seems to say that the only thing needed is anger and willpower, and Sion ticks both of these boxes. Not so much strength in the force, which Sion has anyway imo.


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There's probably more to it than that. I hardly think Sidious would want someone walking around becoming as powerful as he is.

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Originally posted by GM Nebaris
But the book of anger seems to say that the only thing needed is anger and willpower, and Sion ticks both of these boxes. Not so much strength in the force, which Sion has anyway imo.


Like I told you before. Palpatine has exhibited and displayed far more destructive and greater Force powers than Sion. If he had the ability to create these Force Storms, than he would have done so.

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You seriously do lack good reading comprehension my friend. I was speculating that with the right knowledge, Sion easily has the ability to produce force storms with more devastating power then Sidious. Why is that so hard to believe?He possesses the two requirements that sidious states in his 'Book of Anger' are needed to produce these force storms, but to a frightening degree. However, he seriously didn't have the right knowledge and never learnt the technique...


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As far as we know, only Palpatine was capable of producing force storms.

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However, do you agree with my reasoning that if Sion learnt the secret and the knowledge behind them, he would have been able to produce more devastating ones.


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No,Sion is not as powerful as Palpatine nor does he have the patience to learn the Force Storm technique,Palpatine is stated to be the most powerful DLotS in all of history,not Sion.And I highly doubt Sion could harness,find and control what Palpatine used/did.


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Originally posted by GM Nebaris
However, do you agree with my reasoning that if Sion learnt the secret and the knowledge behind them, he would have been able to produce more devastating ones.


There is not proper evidence to back up such a claim.

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I think you guys seem to be ignoring the original post. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that if Sion learnt the secrets in how to create force storms, his would be more devastating then Palpatine's as he seems to possess the very things that palpatine says are requirements for making for storms in his Book Of Anger, except to a much higher degree then Palpatine.


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Not really,DE States Palpatine being, literally, an embument of hate and anger,and read my post.


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I did read your post.


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Originally posted by GM Nebaris
I think you guys seem to be ignoring the original post. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that if Sion learnt the secrets in how to create force storms, his would be more devastating then Palpatine's as he seems to possess the very things that palpatine says are requirements for making for storms in his Book Of Anger, except to a much higher degree then Palpatine.


Well firstly prove that Sion has a stonger will than Palpatine(I doubt it). Remember that Palpatine has a will so strong that he doesnt even need a body to survive.

Then you would have to consider that Sion has nowhere near the force mastery of Palpatine, and I would consider that to be a vital element in creating force storms.

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quote:
You seriously do lack good reading comprehension my friend.


I'll ignore the insult to my intelligence and ask you to take into consideration that you have yet to provide proof in any argument you've been involved in.

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I was speculating that with the right knowledge, Sion easily has the ability to produce force storms with more devastating power then Sidious.


Once again, I must remind you that your speculation has no bearing on a versus match. Meaning that if you plan on using this in a versus argument, I would strongly advise that you reconsider.

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Why is that so hard to believe?


Because he hasn't exhibited anything near the Force power that Sidious has possessed.

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He possesses the two requirements that sidious states in his 'Book of Anger' are needed to produce these force storms, but to a frightening degree. However, he seriously didn't have the right knowledge and never learnt the technique...


I'm glad that you acknowledge that. Meaning he never had the ability to do so.

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Well firstly prove that Sion has a stonger will than Palpatine(I doubt it). Remember that Palpatine has a will so strong that he doesnt even need a body to survive.


His will was so strong that he was able to hold his entire body together (when he should have died age ago) and thus become physically invincible. I'm pretty sure that palpatine's will is not tha strong.

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Then you would have to consider that Sion has nowhere near the force mastery of Palpatine, and I would consider that to be a vital element in creating force storms.


You consider it? I'm sorry, but Palpatine's Book of Anger begs to differ.

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Because he hasn't exhibited anything near the Force power that Sidious has possessed.


Well you see, your argument falls apart when Palpatine's Book of Anger confirms that force mastery plays no part in creating force storms.

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There's also intelligent control.

And believe you me, Sion isn't any where on par with Sidious in terms of intelligence or control.

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