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A debatable question....
Everyone seems to debate wether Liz feels Lust or perhaps Love for Jack. Well this interesting article that I found can help us understand what is really on her mind.
Love Or Lust?
Ok, you know you like him. You really, really like him. But your raging hormones have left your head (and your heart) spinning. Is it love at first sight or just a temporary overload of the pituitary gland? Deciding whether your feelings are the product of Cupid's arrow or your garden variety crush isn't always as easy as you might think (especially since some of the same hormones that trigger lust are involved in falling in love). And when you're caught in the throws of one of those L-words it can help to ask yourself a few key questions when deciding which one.
Something to talk about
Do you want everyone to know about him? It could be lust. Want everyone to know her? We might be talking love. While we can't stop talking (or thinking) about any new flame, it's a good sign that you're headed for the real thing when you want your friends and family to get more than a dose of her charm or a glimpse of his biceps. As social creatures, we're inclined to weave our contacts into networks or tribes. It doesn't make a lot of sense to invite your eye-candy into that circle, particularly if the only thing that draws you to that person is sex appeal. Those contacts are usually temporary, and on some level you know that. They don't belong in your core social network and as much time as you may spend with your object of lust, it's not comfortable to welcome them there. When you're falling in love, however, you're struck with the persistent notion that everyone you know should love your beloved, too. He or she has become a real part of you and it's only natural to want to imbed that partner deeply into your tribe.
The test of time
Powerful lust is intoxicating, and it can feel very much like being in love. But lust is the hundred meter dash to love's marathon. The adrenaline rush alone can make you feel like it will last forever, but most of the time those feelings play themselves out long before the distance finish. Whether you're positive it's only a fling or certain you're headed for long-term romance, take your time before making that call. Love at first sight looks a lot like lust once you've spent your second wind.
Perchance to dream
Find yourself daydreaming about your someone at odd moments? Of course you do! Whether we're talking about a hot date or your soul mate, those thoughts are likely to take up a good portion of your idle time, and some of your not-so-idle time, as well. But pay attention to the way you dream about him or her, and you might find a clue to the root of your attachment. Lustful fantasies are fair game for all attractions, of course (It's not like we stop thinking about sex once we start getting serious), and those newly infatuated dream up all kinds of emotionally charged scenarios. You might find yourself running to her imaginary rescue or comforting him though a fictional crisis. It doesn't take a degree in psychology to read into what those mean -- daydreams are wish fulfillments for feeling admired, powerful, needed, appreciated or forgiving and can be excellent clues as to what you crave from another person. So, when your dreams start telling you that what you wish for is love, take heed. It could be in the conversations you have, in daydreams about the future or about quiet nights at home, but it will be about what love means to you. When your fantasies start getting deeper, it's a solid clue that your feelings have, as well.
Turning the tables
Can lust turn into love? Actually, this is very often exactly how it works. Lust isn't just nature's way of encouraging us to reproduce, it gives way to a bond designed for lasting companionship, a partnership for survival and a team equipped to raise and nurture children. The hormones involved in sexual attraction, touch and orgasm facilitate those bonds, which is how it's possible for a casual partner to transform into someone we want around when the lights are on, too. And because we are more than a cocktail of hormones and impulses, we also invite our brains into the mix of influences. If we genuinely like that person on an intellectual level, we begin to think alike and to value the perspective of those we once saw only through lustful eyes.
The reality is there's no one point in which lust magically transforms into the stuff of fairy tales. It's not a threshold event, but a wide spectrum from base sexual attraction to trusting, lasting partnership. Sometimes we move along it quietly; sometimes the transformation is shocking and thunderous, and yes, sometimes our feelings never move forward at all. I guess that's why no matter how many times you've fallen in love, it's still hard to recognize when it comes along again. It also explains how each new connection can be so scary, so exciting and so reliably unpredictable.
I think lust at the curiosity scene and the kiss, but at Tia's I think it was turning to love, or shame.
But, Elizabeth is such a schizo it is relly hard to tell. Plus the script is written by men who see women as conflicted emotionally. Because basically all men see women as conflicted emotionally, weather it's true or not. Just as they see all men as powerful, protective, and decisive. Which they are not all the time.
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Thanks Caly
Liz can really be a pea brain sometimes, but the lust that she might be feeling for him can actually turn to love. Some people would argue and say that lust is just a passing thing, but it has all the needed ingredients for it to turn in to Love. I agree w you the curiosity scene was filled with lust, but at Tia's cabin those feelings were turning in to something stronger.
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Now based on that^^ I would call of of Lizzies actions up until Tia's hut lust..afterward..it sort of suggests love..
but I still notice that she fears him because she thiks may love him..I actually see lust and deeper feelings in DMC..she's forward with the lust and scared of the emotions she's feeling..it seems..rememebr she's with someone else..and if you love someone whilst with someone else its called cheating..and so you try to keep that a secret no mater what..
Also the very last thing in the article is very interesting lust can often turn into love...did that EVER happen with W/E?..or was it like a sibling love right from the get go?
Last edited by LovelyOne on Nov 14th, 2006 at 05:09 PM
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the thing..the one thing that Liz may love about Jack is the fact he's a good man...but is it also the very reason she fears him? If that man exists then she might just love that man..by DMC IMO at the end..she doesnt want that man to exist because she's afraid of him.
His honest and good side wins through at the end of DMC and this is obviously a very powerful and emotional moment for Elizabeth. We get her eye view of jack and he's portrayed a god to her.
..She loves this side of him..and she also fears this side of him so we see her kill that good man. To get rid of him from her life.
then we see her realise she may have just lost Jack, the good man she might love...she thought it would make things easier for her if that man was just gone...but it doesnt...it reveals a part of her she cant live with.
Last edited by LovelyOne on Nov 14th, 2006 at 05:19 PM
hey every1 my name's sarah, nd im a big fan ov potc too lol, erm i like read all ur comments all the time, nd their rly gd, so i had 2 join.. keep goin nd hopefully mayb i cn strt up a topojn 2,
(p.s keep writin)
(i kno this is off the topic u were tlkin bout.. Lovelyone but just introducin my self)
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It never happened between EW, I would call that young puppy love, it is like a family bond love kind of thing. When you feel the need to protect a person that you have known for a long time, I agree that can actually be call sibling love.
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Also..anyone notice that when Jack does the good thing and shows his "honest side" in the curiosity scene..she shows a mixture of disappointment and worry
because 1. the lust wasn't quenched..
and 2...darn Jack showed his good side for her which she secretly doesn't want because thats the side of him she has feelings for...in my opinion anyway..if that darn side wasnt there then it would be easier for her lust to just fizzle out wouldnt you say?
but if thats the side she loves and she kills him because of that..is this the part of herself she cant live with? And so she wants him back more than anything.
Last edited by LovelyOne on Nov 14th, 2006 at 05:27 PM
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Bye..Sara
Liz is definitely turning in to a pirate, she values that perspective about him, he can be a pirate but also a good man. Like you said Lovely, this is the thing she fears the most. Therefore at the end of DMC she choose that pirate perspective to get rid of that thing that scares her the most.
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I agree It would have been easier for her to make those lusty feelings disappear. Al thought it was the black spot that made him back up, but IMO the black spot was meant to be a symbolic aspect on what was on Jack's mind at that time, after that mark was placed on him he started viewing life in a different way. Perhaps he started thinking about what was right and wrong.
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Last edited by Mistypirate on Nov 14th, 2006 at 05:36 PM
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Well i agree....if what Liz was feeling for Jack was soley based on LUST then after she left Jack there to Die she wouldnt have felt as bad....and maybe she thought that her feelings were just Lust, so getting rid of him was probably the solution to her problem......
But after she did leave him there....the guilt was Killing her inside and it was to much to handle, suddenly she realized that a part of her was missing....so thats when i think she realized her feelings werent just LUST, her feelings were LOVE!!! and she knew that she couldnt live without him....thats why she didnt drink to the toast because she was not happy, she was incomplete!!....and when hope was given to her by going after him....it's like life was shoved back into her!!!
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guys..I really dont think that was just lust...if it was just lust there wouldnt be a real fear IMO...the fear comes from the other thing we see from her in DMC..fear of deeper feelings for Jack it seems.
IMO its the good side of jack that she actually fears and doesnt trust herself to be around..
Last edited by LovelyOne on Nov 14th, 2006 at 10:45 PM
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A debatable question....
Nov 14th, 2006 04:31 PM
don't touch that women she is taken and they are coming for you if you do.
