Ok, I figured this topic was LONG over due to be discussed. PIS, should it be dictated by consistency, or common sense? For instance, Flash has a hard time with people WAY slower than he frequently in his books. Wolverine has continually showed the ability to cut/stab many characters with an INSANE level of durability, and takes shots from 100+ characters routinly. Deathstroke has been taking it to the Teen Titans(including FLash) since his introduction. Batman has managed to sneak up on Superman God only knows how many times. And, whether we like it or not, Spiderman has managed to take on(and take shots from) way more herald level characters than just Firelord(like Hulk, Masterson Thor, Silver Surfer, Juggernaut, Absorbing Man). Now forum rules say, that we disregard PIS and SMvF, and go by the high end showings. But what happens when the rules come into conflict(for instance, SMvF can't really be considered as such at this point, because he's taken on herald level characters consistently, and under different writers).
We're also supposed to go by high end feats, but who's? Wolverine taking on Namor, is a high end feat for him, but a low end feat for Namor? So in a thread between the two, which end are we supposed to go by? Daredevil being able to take on Spidey is also a high end feat for him, but a low end for Spidey. So which feats should be considered valid?
PIS is NOT contingent on consistency. The Flash should NEVER get hit by most of the people that tag him.
Spiderman should NEVER have trouble with someone who lacks superhuman speed.
Wolverine taking shots from class 100 characters isn't much of PIS, though, as he's been doing it since his inception. It's what his character was created to do.
Spiderman dancing around some superior characters using primarily his spider sense is not PIS.
Yes, but debates on the forum ALWAYS end up being about whether or not specific events should qualify as PIS. So I figured that it would be good to get everyone's feelings out into the open about what should qualify as such.
Yes, was created to take on 100+ character, but the same way Spiderman does. Through superior speed and agility. In Wolverine's first appearance(well technically second, cause the fight carried over a book), he was KO'd by a single GRAZING blow by the Hulk. THAT'S how he was meant to be.
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I think the best thing for us is to decide for ourselves. Most of the time, the KMCers can decide as a collective what's BS and what's not BS. We'll always have rabid fans who disagree but that's a way of life here.
True, but you have to think about what it is that they do. Many times they catch Flash off guard. We also know that Flash is cocky and usually underestimates and thats why his ass gets tagged. Should it happen? No. I guess thats why here on the forum, we put everyone at a bloodlusted level. BUT in character at the same time.
It really comes down to how you view it. If we base Flash's abilities off of his greatest showings, then it would be PIS whenever even some one as fast as Superman tagged him.
However, if we went by average showings, then Flash's highest showings would be just that- high showings- and not really an indication of how fast he generally is (at least not right off the bat).
See, I'm actually a big fan of average showings, but whenever you try to bring those up around here, people always start ranting "We go by the high end feats!(at least as far as our favorite character is concerned)". Which brings up the question, who's high end showings? Wolverine or Namor's? Spiderman's or Firelords? Batman's stealth or Supes hearing?
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Last edited by darthgoober on Nov 27th, 2006 at 03:15 AM
He's not cocky, he's impulsive (wally anyway), especially before the crisis... its his urgency to protect those around him that gets him hurt...
(sorry, i just hate it when people call him cocky )
thats true... its a fine line trying to decide whats PIS and what isn't... common sense says that deathstroke could never touch flash (given that nightwing can challenge him, and no disrespect to him), but then the comic gives some answer that while being seemingly bullshit, looking at it from another angle can show another worthy point of view...
Ahh you see. Thats always gonna be a problem if people look at it like that. Whos high end showings? When you have say Hulk vs Namor, going by high showings, Hulk will always have them over Namor, but when they fight its always a good fight. Hulk even loses at times. Then youll have Wonder Woman vs Juggernaut. Juggy is said to be as strong as Hulk or Supes, yet he hardly has any feats to show for it. We make exceptions for certain people. Thats why i go more by what is consistantly shown in battles instead of individual feats.
Actually Wally was impulsive as well a bit. Very impatient and that got him in trouble many a times. Hes had to stop and think about what hes gonna do after the first try slaps him in the face.
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Nov 27th, 2006 02:15 AM
It the end I suppose it doesn't matter if what we think of "PIS" If we don't like it we can stop reading the comics.
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